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  1. @Adolph Namlik Very true. I know of a vocal coach who charges $300/hour and another coach who charges I think 350/hour and you can only see said coach once you have been through their associate coaches for a while. I guess in retrospect $200 isn't as much as one may think it is. I personally don't have pillars, I use another program/coach but I've heard good things about Robert and Pillars :).  @carp Agreed. Especially over these past few months I've learned how much there is to know about the voice. So having something like Pillars could help bridge the gap in knowledge I imagine. 
  2. @Khassera: If you don't mind me asking, what are you doing differently now that you weren't doing before?
  3.   @Jeremy, and that's why I'm big on getting some sort of program and a vocal coach. Because with a program you'll have something to practice with and with a coach you'll have someone to correct you. There are quite a few solid coaches that I've heard of by just being on here. Now not everyone will vibe with every coach, but I know that with a great coach and hard work, improvement is guaranteed. Professional or amateur, I really am big on proper training. You don't see a drum player trying to learn without lessons, piano player, etc etc. I don't understand why people think singing is some esoteric act for only the select few.  I definitely agree with you though. Self-training for most is a recipe for disaster or vocal damage waiting to happen.    @Simpan24: I'm not sure what your struggles are per say, but I know that giving up isn't it. Take a break if you're not getting it right now. But if you give up on singing, you'll be missing out on such a wonderful thing IMO. Look, a lot of people on here are very passionate about singing. So they are just trying to help the best they can. Pillars is a little pricey, but you only have one voice. It's one of the better options out there for training your voice. If you can't get it now, save up! There are plenty of ways to make money these days :). Keep grinding. 
  4. I agree 120% with what Robert said. For 5 months I had a teacher who all we did was sing songs. He wasn't a big believer in exercises and kind of just hoped that we would figure things out. Never happened. I really did improve, but considering where I started it's not really saying much. I didn't learn much about support, resonance, etc etc that one would learn through a program and a quality vocal coach. I finally decided to get a quality vocal coach and program and haven't looked back.  @Jeremy, even some of the best voices have suffered vocal damage many times over: Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Adele, Steve PerryPerryand like you mentioned Robert Plant among other singers. Now I know touring can be incredibly demanding and their schedules were probably very hectic but being the best doesn't mean that one shouldn't invest in quality training. Even visiting with a high caliber vocal coach a few times a year could save vocalists from life long damage to their voices. Talent can take you to many great places, but it can't always keep you there. Just my 2 cents. 
  5.   I understand. Thanks for your help        Very true! I guess I didn't fully understand what you were saying. Thanks Dan!          That really did clarify things Mr Lunte! I really appreciate all your help and I did sent you a email on the forum. I really hope to extend my vocal abilities as much as I possibly can! Just wanted to ask some questions before I dove into anything. 
  6.     Yeah that's what my current teacher says. But that doesn't mean that vocal exercises don't have their place though, right?
  7.     Well that may be true, and I might have gained things like a slightly better understanding of pitch and tone, but outside of that there were no improvements to my actual "singing" which was the problem. Mr. Lunte even advocates for improvement in 30-90 days, I didn't see any in 10 months. That's isn't a slight against my teacher, but whether you're singing, acting, running, dancing, whatever, 10 months and no improvements whatsoever is akin to spinning your wheels for me. 
  8. So I've been frequenting this forum for a while and there are a few questions that I had which maybe some of you veterans on here can help me understand:   A little bit about myself before I begin:   I've been singing for about a year and a half. My first teacher did the usual scales, breathing exercises, sing songs you like type formula to try and help me get better. I went to her for 10 months, but unfortunately I didn't improve at all. The only thing that got better was my range, but that didn't translate into better singing.    My second (and current) teacher has helped me leaps and bounds in terms of my progress. In only a month, I made more progress than I did with my other teacher in a year. I've been with him for almost 5 months now with good progress. The only thing is though, we don't do any scales, breathing exercises, nothing of the sort. We just sing songs. Now, I believe he does have formal education on singing and he is well-versed on the terminology, but none of that constitutes what we would call a "lesson." I've been making great results but my concern after perusing this forum is, won't my progress come to a halt sooner or later if I don't include vocal training exercises and just focus on singing? Or will I just keep "getting better?" I feel like singing is like any other sport, as you get better there is a greater amount of attention to detail as you get more proficient.    Anyways sorry for the long-winded story. My questions are:   Stylistically, I would like to have an R&B, Pop, Contemporary type of sound, but I also wouldn't want to restrict myself to just a few genres. So based off of this, would it really matter what vocal program I chose to work with? Cause I was reading Robert's earlier posts about how 4 Pillars isn't a "rock program" but training for vocal athletes and my goal is to sound similar to this:      Can this be achieved with 4 Pillars? Or is there another program which could help me out more stylistically speaking?   Second question:   I've heard that the exercises performed in most of the programs share similarities. So, with that being understood, would it matter which program I choose because the "training" is almost the same but the styles of singing people choose to approach are different?
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