KillerKu

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  1. I usually have an interplay between 16ths and triplets in mind. The 16ths would be said: 1 ee and a 2 ee and a 3 ee and a 4 ee and a. But it is simplest to start with the 1 and 2 and 3 and 4. Triplets can either be poly rhythm or fit within the framework 16ths. I hear it a lot with jazz and some of the more sophisticated soul singing (Marvin Gaye, Al green, etc). Part of why the 'and' has momentum, is in black influenced music, depending on how you subdivide the notes, the 'and' can form the back beat, when double time. With jazz drumming the back beat is on the high hat stomp which is a more subtle sound, with rock n roll it's on the snare. This video has been circulating among musicians for awhile where the audience is clapping on the downbeat, and Harry Connick Jr plays a single measure in 5/4 time to get the audience's claps to fall on the back beat: The feel suddenly changes. And the audience likely wouldn't even know why. And it is from emphasizing the back beat.
  2. Even Iggy Pop got lessons at some point. He admits that when he was young and ignorant he felt he could create a kind of danger and menace with his singing that he can't reproduce now. http://www.npr.org/2010/01/25/122945187/iggy-pop-the-voice-as-weapon Honestly I agree with him. I am not knocking what he does now, but I don't find him nearly as menacing as in the early days. But in other cases we may never be able to tell when a 'natural' got lessons. So why would someone like Iggy Pop get lessons? He probably found he couldn't sustain things in the long term as he aged and continued to do what he did. And that is fine. People can sing risky if they want. That's freedom, maybe it will work out, maybe it won't. Maybe it will work for a time, but not forever. But there's no shame if it isn't working. It may or may not take away the element of danger in the art itself when elements of danger are removed from the act of singing itself. People may or may not be able to even tell at what point someone got lessons. Regardless, it's good when people can still sing and that is something lessons can help a lot with. And it's not like Iggy Pop conveys nothing now when he sings. He's still expressive. He doesn't sound like a robot running through 'singing technique.' By what most would likely measure here he still sucks at 'traditional vocal technique.' It just feels a bit less feral and dangerous as he became less feral.
  3. Cool, and very simple. I like to do that. Vowel morphing exercises. I also suspect some people's voices sound more appealing to the average person forward/back/neutral vowels. Like if your neutral voice is more bright, leaning back could give some darker sound. Or a more neutrally dark voice, leaning forward could give more brightness. Or you could exaggerate whatever is neutral for your voice. I prefer to use multiple vowel shadings depending on context though, like Nina Simone or David Bowie rather than aiming for consistency.
  4. I'd imagine real basses are probably always in demand for harmony singing. It could give groups that extra edge. Higher voices may be more popular for leads, but there are also a ton more competing for leads. It's kind of like how it's easier to get bass guitar gigs cause everyone is fighting over the guitar/drums/voice but also with a rare biological requirement. I could imagine walking into a harmony group, singing a strong C2 and being hired like right there.
  5. I agree, I'm not worrying about professionalism. I just want to make music that I think is as good as I can make it. That is a life long process that involves improvement. But there are plenty of professional singers that don't meet standards of high level singing. If people are getting paid a lot to do an activity and people are appreciative of the activity (some even believing they are the best at the activity), it's a pretty murky line there.
  6. This cover resulted in the album going double platinum and becoming them being one of the biggest bands for a few years: I thought it sucked then. I never liked it, and never will. But that's kind of the point. His singing is flawed in a way that people responded positively to and resulted in a professional singing career. People paid way more money to see this guy do this than they would any of us here sing any of our covers. They have sold 40 million albums. Is he devoted to constant improvement? If he is, I can't tell. We could train and train for a theoretical perfection yet people can sing with the right flaws and blow right past us professionally. There are a lot of flawed singers I like. But it's the same for other people. There are people who would prefer to listen to Durst than Lou Gramm or any other idolized singer. I've even met someone who unironically thought Durst was the best singer of all time and not during their heyday either. It was a couple of years ago when they were very unpopular. I was actually almost in disbelief but it was very sincere. But that's a lot of albums and tours sold. Lots of professional success. We can like it, hate it, but it won't change what it is.
  7. That's always been in my mind as well, Jonjon. I can't think of a single singer I listen to because they are good at sounding like someone else. If you average a bunch of faces together you get a potentially attractive face, but lacking distinction. http://faceresearch.org/demos/average I think a similar concept can occur with voice where the eccentricities are filtered out and you are left with the 'generic' voice. We're not all supposed to like the same eccentric qualities. It's identity.
  8. Two different approaches to bass on the same song.
  9. My not very useful answer would be that high level singing means nothing to me. It's not like singers level up in my head, they were on level 37, but are now level 45, but not comparable to a level 66. It's a voice making sustained noise, generally in a musical context. I've put my favorite singers into tuning software and studied their pitch, there is a wide range of variation. I've studied rhythms, lots of variation ahead or behind the beat mathematically. Wide range of closure, wide range of range, from barely an octave to really wide ranges. Wide ranges of timbres to relatively singular timbres. Whatever it is, it doesn't appear to impact how I hear music. There's just singing, some I relate to, some I don't.
  10. Good topic, Felipe. This is an example of powerful singing for me. When it hits the climax at about 3:21 or so. He's not straining out a thick one to make it 'powerful.' He's just following the dynamic of the song to its conclusion. The voice follows an emotional arc and rides the music. That's powerful. I can only imagine how terrible this song would be if he was trying to make his voice as big as possible.
  11. I liked the lyrics, Jonjon. I'd find it easier to write or sing something that isn't directly about a forum or a brand or something too, which is not knocking this forum. I actually wrote a song pretty much the next day after the first Modern Vocalist Theme Song was proposed. I ended up writing about singing too. I might revive that song and see if anyone else wants to sing it. It didn't really fit my artistic temperament cause it was written more for a different purpose rather than artistic intent. As for Zepellin, I have a preference and appreciation for originality, but I like some of their stuff. There's room for originality and re-arranging the past in an appealing way in music. My favorites often have both a unique quality and an appeal though. That's what inspires me to improve as an artist. If everything was hip hop samples of the past, I don't think I'd listen to any music. On the other hand, if everyone agreed to stop using the note C, because it had already been done. It would be interesting, but would likely make music inferior in the long haul. It's all a balance and preference.
  12. I'll operate as a fail safe. This project has made it far enough that I think it can get done. Give yourself as much time as you think you need. If at some point you feel you need help I'll likely be able to do that.
  13. That is such a mysterious pop song to me. Statutory rape subject matter and bizarrely complex rhythms. It's safe to say Winger was the best at what they did.
  14. I actually write most songs based on syllabic appropriate sounds to a melody and replace the lyrics according to meaning. It's my most productive method. There is no universal songwriting method. The best method is to focus on what works, until it doesn't work. Then do something else. That's my proposal.
  15. I agree. I've always been more of an artist at heart and would love to see us become more creative. People can hone technique and then never apply it. But for this point, it would be simplest for you to lead the track. If at any point you would like submissions of vocal melody we can go there. We already have a more open ended project than the last forum theme idea. We can move towards the ideas that work and that idea has been working in the past. By the way, for drums you send me some kind of proprietary EZdrummer file. It wasn't pure midi. I couldn't figure out what to do with it, lol.