Xamedhi

Hey guys, I'm posting this as a sort of "hey all, long time no see, I'm doing well" hahah EDIT :Also, I don't ask for critique or review, I'm just showing what I've been doing for others who want to listen or study. I think someone posting about what they think the distortion is, or how it compares to theirs does not help my singing directly. I repeat myself "I posted this as a "hey all, this is what I've been doing" because the "tell your gains" thread is dead. If after this clarification my thread still belongs here, then I'm ok with that, but I just wanted to make it clear. I just wanted to debate singing and technique in general, or whatever someone wanted to ask ( about my vocal fold gap, reflux, etc ), cheers everyone! . I've been working hard on my voice as always, carrying weight up and my headvoice twangy range. My max weight is on B4 and headvoice range topping on E5 on good days, with a solid D#5. I have a vocal fold gap ( acording to my stroboscopy on 2015 ) and I don't know the current state of it. It's a lot better, sound, strength and stamina has gotten waaay better. I still feel my voice a lot different though, I don't know if its because of the vocalis muscle that's grown stronger or what, but I wouldn't give up the stability of my voice now or my sound, for the flexibility or -strained- range I had before ( 2014-2015 ) Well, I come to tell you guys... I at last found some kind of distortion that feels healthy in my voice, and is sustainable. I've tried the "throat singing" type of distortion ( false folds and cartilage, Hetfield style ) but it hurts and always leaves me with air leak and poor stamina for days or a week or two, even. I've tried creaking distortion but as I already mentioned, my voice is kind of f***ed up in some way, and I don't know if it's normal but I have a hard time coordinating fry, lol. and when I manage, it leaves my voice very worn out if done for 20 minutes. This kind of distortion I found is probably like the rattle described in CVT terms ( kind of what Jorn Lande does most of the time ), where something ( I think arytenoid cartilage ? ) vibrates, but in a different way, I feel like the upper and side walls of my pharynx contracting, which makes something vibrate and produce this "overlay". I t's still a thin grit and I have to put quite a bit of effort in it to make the walls contract enough to make the sound but I guess with time and patience the strength will come and I'll be able to put more "anger" into it coordinated with vocal weight. I must mention that doing this distortion makes my voice last longer, stamina is better, and closure is getting better too. I feel my muscles are working out and getting stronger, and I have an easier time mixing into my upper range. All this change in a span of 5 days, so it's important to note. I hope you guys like how it sounds, this is the fifth day since I found it, videos are from yesterday

Yeah, its more difficult for me too, as is the EH in the high range... I feel like EE and EH depend a lot more on falsetto musculature as you ascend in pitch, and in my voice, which doesn't have a very strong isolated falsetto, is harder to keep adduction and power, even more when my voice is tired. My voice likes UH and OH a lot more, haha

I don't really know what you mean by that, man. What issue are you having? A vocal gap? Weak adduction? If you sound girly by D5 then you probable are not engaging the TA musculature.

You are always talking about your voice not being strong enough... And I tell you right away, your voice is faaaar stronger than what I had when I started. In adduction, endurance, range.. And I still could do modal\full voice voice up to D5 because I had the coordinations. Now I have a vocal gap that affects my voice on top of my already weak muscular base, but I still sing full D#5 and E5, so no excuses, man. Its not strength, it's coordination, and you can get it in a month or two consistently. You definitely build strength, I can assure that because I've got a lot better in that aspect, but the coordinations are the most important, because without knowing it how can you even practice it? I recommend going lighter in mass on the C5 area... And as your falsetto is really strong, you will probably get to an E5 in full voice

Well, for training just modify the songs to your liking, "do what you need" is what I feel about singing. If someone wants to stay a couple minutes just repeating the word "boooriiiiing!!" in whatever pitch they need to work on then cool, lol I do that stuff myself haha

This is a better example of the EEs I think Robert is talking about. "To rEEmake" and in the chorus "EEs there rEElly ". In my voice i need to open my mouth more vertically ( and this is important), and think the positioning more like an EH and little by little modify towards EE

By strong i undrrstand he means a strong and confortable EH and then raise the back of the tongue so it starts sounding more like an EE... Its something like this, on the word "hills", but this is not as modified to the EE, for that song I like it more EH hahah

Man, my helloween and kamelot a capella videos have copyright claims... I felt so stepped on, and at the same time so flattered, lol Keep up the good work Olem! Listen to Robert on the EE, thats very good advice

Can you sustain the notes cleanly for some seconds? I ask because as i understand you are doing this as training. If you have some bad habits singing clean, it will be more difficult to drop them while singing with distortion. So check that out other that that, good job, ill justo work on going through the phrases slowly and sustaining every vowel for 3-4 seconds.

I love that song, hahah. Well, I don't want to get into terms, because they are all debatable, but I'd say that is an un-adducted phonation, with some airleak also, and the body of the folds is not engaging. The body of the folds, the meat of the folds, is highly responsable of giving the "normal voice"/chestvoice/speaking voice quality to the voice when singing. For that song, if you want what Lana is doing, you need to decrease the airflow, and "seal" the vocal folds until you can do a smaller and "sharper" sound, so you can control it and be able to give that ethereal and flirty quality she has. So what you have here, I, personally, would say is falsetto, describing my perception based on TFPS terms. I think, based on very little info hahaha, that your voice is pretty strong already, so you'd have to learn more the coordination part of singing. My voice is not very strong but I can still sing a lot of stuff, so yeah, just practice the hell out of whatever sound you want to make. For that, in general, the things you want to try to balance out are air flow ( the air that you "throw" through the vocal folds ), and how much you "close" your vocal folds. If you have too much or too little of any of those, singing can get difficult, or even dangerous in some cases. But you have to experiment to find what is more comfortable and less tiring.

I second what has already been said... it sounds like if you were a member of the band and it was your song. I also think it's the best cover I've heard from you. The "your time will come" sounds VERY similar to Bruce in tone, so if you where going for that, feel great because it sounds awesome, haha, the whole song sounds awesome, man You are always progressing, man, I really like that from you, you are not only a great teacher, but also a very heartfelt singer, always striving for more and more, in that regard you feel very close to us "recent learners". My total respect, Felipe \m/

Woow!! Java, you are getting a lot better! Awesome cover! You seem to control your mix a lot better and it's a lot stronger too. And the whistle part sounds awesome. Congratulations for your progress

Awesome song, man... and incredible voice. I love your technique and your timbre, man

Thanks MDEW, I was needing that ! Take your well deserved Like hahah