TMV World Legacy Member
  • Content count

  • Joined

  • Last visited

Community Reputation

4 Neutral

Recent Profile Visitors

The recent visitors block is disabled and is not being shown to other users.

  1. DonRoos

    Vibrato in Rock

    I would seriously like to record myself in various contexts but lack decent recording equipment to do so. I only have my android tablet which records really badly and I use it for my lyrics (I am getting old and find it hard to remember the lyrics for over 400 songs that I have in various stages of performance readiness). It would be great to let you hear what he is complaining about for an objective analysis. Soon I will be able to get a good recording setup. The band member in question is very quick to complain if any little thing is not exactly as he wants it, even to the extent of insisting we do his arrangement of songs even if they differ from the original. I had a band member from another of my bands (lead singer and an old hand in a band he is busy leaving to join us) do a crit last Friday and he said the vocals were great and the guitarist in question was "not adding anything to the band" and "too loud and drowning out the vocals". So I have no doubt now that he is smoking his socks and deserves no further consideration. The reason I wanted to ask was that I am a sensitive person that is easily offended by harsh criticism and also a perfectionist in trying to do the absolute best I can to sing songs and do justice to them. So I have to be sure that I am not ignoring good constructive criticism by being too sensative. I am now convinced. Thanks for all your support!
  2. DonRoos

    Vibrato in Rock

    Thanks for all the replies, I am happy to hear that I was not labouring under a miss understanding and getting it all wrong. MDEW. strongly agree with the less is more idea and I try not to over do the vibrato. It generally is fairly automatic when I get to the end of a phrase and start holding a note. Generally it does start as a single note and develops into a vibrato. guitarplayerjax, I try and avoid heavy vibrato and trying to force it. So as far as I am concerned it should sound great - certainly some of my critics have said I have a great voice although nobody has specifically commented on the vibrato. Elvis & Jens, I have not considered that vibrato could cause problems with harmonies and I will certainly try and hold back on those great 4 part harmony endings that we try and do. MDEW and Robert Lunte, I strongly suspect that this emanates from his inability to sing with vibrato and he is trying to get me to stop so that the few songs he sings seem to be not quite so good. Sadly he is one of the older members of the band so has lived through the best of the 50's to modern music so he has been exposed to all the greats and has no excuse for his attitude, Rotlung, that video is pure genius - thank you for sharing that with me as I have not seen/heard it before. I love this style of music and I shrive to emulate the blend of clean vocals going towards vibrato with the odd grunts and growls for effect. I will look into the 4 pillars training that I have seen mentioned but know nothing of wrt learning to better control the vibrato. I am particularly concerned about not doing any damage through controlling a natural thing as I have noticed that trying to stop the vibrato is causing a bit of tension.
  3. DonRoos

    Vibrato in Rock

    I am a singer in 3 different Rock bands, a duo (doing Simon & Garfunkel and Bee Gees type harmonies) and also as a solo artist. So I sing a wide variety of Rock, Pop, Blues, Country, Reggae and many other genre. I had vocal training several years ago as I was having difficulty with singing high and it was causing me to do some damage to my voice. The training was classical in nature and many of my training pieces were from Les Miserable. I had to learn to relax to avoid straining my instrument. I was pleased to hear from my trainer that I have a vocal range as great as Pavarotti's. Most people compliment me on my voice. A result of my training is a natural vibrato that have a modest level of control over and am quite proud of. In some cases I can turn it off but other times not. I can start it in some circumstances if I want. Last week, a member of one of my bands told me I should not sing vibrato when doing rock music as all rock artists do not sing vibrato. He said he could not harmonise with me if I sang vibrato. I doubt this is true but he is not a good singer so I can understand he has difficulty pitching his voice. Firstly I was surprised to hear this. I know many rock artists did not have great vocal talents and could not sing vibrato if paid to do so. But I was certainly unaware of it being wrong to sing Rock with vibrato. A quick scan of google lead me to Roy Orbison who did sing with vibrato and I am sure many great singers such as Freddy did too. What other example are there? Secondly, if this is indeed true and I need to stop, how do you stop a natural vibrato? Is it possible and will doing so cause damage to my voice?
  4. Another trick I use is to cut a CD with the tracks I am trying to learn and then play it in the car while I am driving and sing along.  More repetition! I also have my set lists as playlists on my iPod, my computer and my phone so can play them in any situation I find myself in with a bit of idle time.
  5. It's all down to repetition.  The more times you sing a song the easier it becomes to remember the words.  I use an Android tablet with LyricPad and have the words to 280 odd songs on it in multiple different play lists.  I am involved in several projects and have songs that I sing solo with a guitar, songs I sing harmony with another guy, a hard rock band and a classic rock band.  Too many songs and styles to remember them all so I just use the tablet.  If I need the lyrics, they are there.  If I don't then I can just ignore them.  Being a Samsung I had to make my own tablet bracket as they are not that easily available.
  6. DonRoos

    Your experience with coffee as a singer

    In my 60 years of existence I have been throught the "don't eat this - eat this" cycle many times. Eggs, wine, coffee, red meat, etc., etc. The truth is that our bodies are complex and understanding one small aspect in isolation leads to issues in another area. For me, I choose to partake of all things in moderation and get as close to natural as possible. It has worked for me and I have not been to a doctor for any condition for going on 20 years now - not even a headache! So to me, coffee has advantages and disadvantages. Taken in moderation and with limited sugar and milk is beneficial to get the antioxidents. But I also use 100% coffee and even grind my own beens for filter/esspresso, brown sugar and full fat milk. I am well aware that stopping coffee intake causes withdrawal headaches so know that there is a dependancy issue. But is a whole lot better for you than drinking soda (even the diet variety) that are full of caffien, sugar, artificial sweetners, preservatives, flavourants and colourants (all thoss E??? thing) I am not however dependant and constantly craving coffee and vary my drinks during the day including water, beer, wine, etc. For me it works! If it don't work for you then that's also OK.
  7. DonRoos

    Your experience with coffee as a singer

    I love my coffee! I don't like tea - too much tannin for me. So I drink several cups of coffee every day. But on days when I have a gig I stop the coffee a few hours before and switch to water. This is to reduce the milk and the resultant phlegm and the relaxing effect of the caffien. The water then builds up my fluid levels and keeps me hydrated (coffee tends to dehydrate). I drink my home made ginger ber and perhaps a beer or two during then gig. As soon as the gig is over I want my coffee - normally before I go sleep to help me unwind after a gig. As for giving up or reducing my coffe intake - forget it, I ain't doing it.
  8. DonRoos

    What do singers drink during a performance?

    I have read a lot of advice on different concoctons. Supposedly the best drink is Rooibos (Red Bush) tea. I have a problem with tannin and hate tea with a passion. I also know that alcohol relaxes muscles and then a bit is a good idea and more is bad. I want to be in control of my voice all through the night and a gig generally lasts 4 hours. My method is to drink lots of water during the day to stay hydrated and keep my chords wet. When I get to the gig I drink as much of a nice cold beer while I set up as I need. Then while singing I drink my own home made ginger beer that is only slightly colder than air temp. It is made from fresh ginger, lemon juice and rind, sugar and yeast. The ginger and lemon cut any flem that I might develop and the water rehydrates. The yeast makes it fizzy which makes it instantly refreshing. I purposly use less sugar than the recipe calls for. During breaks I drink beer (usually draught beer) again to relax my chords and prepare for the next set. I avoid any soda's, wine and hard tack as these all have a negative impact on my voice. Not cery scientific but it works for me and that is what counts.