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  1. I dont even know what to say at this point. I cant make much of a contribution to this forum if every single point I make is wholeheartedly disagreed with. Its totally pointless to go on. Its disagreement for the sake of disagreement and has nothing to do with singing or even learning. I think im pretty much going to bow out, life is too short. Peace out, JJ
  2. To me this is just called "learning". A person sings and if he feels a blockage or a sound he doesnt like, he adjust something and keeps trying. Of course the process probably never ends lol. People do this all day every day and never heard of 'vowel modding' That is why thousands of great singers never had lessons and certainly most have no clue as to the techie side of things. They dont need to....they sing and adjust as they go, relying on their ear and feel. Same as writing, drawing, talking etc. Some singers are 'consistent'...maybe for example the Sam Cooke types. They have a style and they stick to it. Then you have the David Bowie types who like to do a bit of everything id put 'vowel modding' like 6 miles behind support, range, dynamics, switching between various coordinations etc
  3. depends on what she is looking for. The internet/youtube is slam full of every warmup and vocal drill imaginable. Also there are many ear training tools out there Peace, JJ
  4. yeah, I cant be thinking of diagrams and flow charts when im trying to sing. The left hemisphere is good for setting up programs etc but the right side is better for actual performing overbite/underbite etc is about the same as baritone vs tenor. They both have advantages and disadvantages
  5. haha, saw this in a thread from 3 years ago Quote from Jens
  6. well as we know, it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to discuss these things in text lol. It just cant be done...yet we try lol To me "vowel" and "vocal tract" are totally different but I understand why they may say vowel. I think its inaccurate though as u see how it lead to confusion to where I had to ask "which vowel??? since we arent sirening, we are singing long phrases" Makes more sense if you look at it as shaping the vocal tract which may be saying about the same thing as "tuning the formant" As I have "studied" (lol) David Lee Roth for example, its obvious there is a basic setup for his chesty belt kind of stuff, and then there would be a different basic setup for stuff more up in the passagio or low headvoice and of course yet another setup for the David Coverdale screamy falsetto kind of thing. That would be REGARDLESS of the actual vowels.....thats why "shaping THE vowel" is confusing
  7. appreciate it brother, im going to check into those names
  8. ok, that I would feel is totally self evident. I have a feeling that is what people sometimes mean by "vowel mods". But like I said, to singers with any amount of training, this should be understood to be a given. Especially T4PS people who have been exposed to 10 vowels etc (there's really around 15 but who's counting hehe) Now that I think about it, KTVA isnt quite as techie on the IPA vowel chart etc. He bases most everything on the "Ah" (law) and considers other vowels to be "mods" of that vowel.....whereas to me they are simply their own vowel. I do full range sirens on 10 modding something to make something easier to sing would be foreign to me. AFAIK I can basically hit the same range with all the vowels......thats why im sometimes confused when someone says "mod the vowel" because generally I practice all the vowels, so if I "mod" to something its just to another vowel which I train anyway
  9. Interesting reading here. This is presenting the subject in a whole different way than "ah goes to aw goes to uh" blah blah...which seems silly to me. If "modding vowels" = "tuning the formant", then I do that all day every day lol. All I do when training is shape the vocal tract etc to make hitting notes easier or stronger etc. The vocal tract resonator has different requirements for the sounds that try to pass through it, depending upon the frequency of that sound. Certain frequencies pass through the resonator easily and, as a consequence, are given a high amplitude....In the vocal tract these resonances are called formants. They and they alone determine vowel quality and donate personal timbre to the voice. Vowel color is determined by the two lowest formants; timbre is determined by the third, fourth, and fifth formants. Tuning the formant frequencies is done by changing the shape of the vocal tract: the jaw, the tongue, the lip opening, the larynx, and the side walls of the pharynx. Adult females have shorter vocal tracts than adult males. Therefore their formant frequencies are 15% higher on average than those of the adult male. ∙ Adjusting the shape of the vocal tract is the most common method for tuning the formant frequencies. ∙ The first formant is responsive to the jaw opening. ∙ The second formant responds to the tongue shape. ∙ The third formant is responsive to the position of the tip of the tongue and to the size of the cavity between the lower teeth and the tongue. ∙ The fourth and fifth formants are more difficult to control by these means.
  10. thats interesting because in my estimation I generally lean back towards being curbed to start with. I have to fight to actually get forward up into the mask area and to get any decent higher harmonics in my tone etc. That may be why the whole subject seems odd to me Generally my sirens feel more or less like the note just slides up the back of my neck and if I ever have any trouble (when fatigued generally) it might show up on an "ih" (Sit) or occasionally "ah" (Cat) But, Gun, or Cow....thats effortless all day every day
  11. not to start an argument....but thats like saying "there is evidence all over the place for evolution (or whatever)"....but then not giving the evidence. Wouldnt we have to know how Joe generally sings to start with? if he sings a certain vowel a certain way 90% of the time, how is it "modified"?? "Modified" from what? When a hardcore NewYorker or deep Southerner talks, is he "modifying" his vowels....or is he just talking? lol Then its a question of why?? If he indeed modified a vowel, was it for some reason, or just out of habit. I myself often round off vowels for no good reason at all, but just because its how it comes out by habit. Someone listening could give some elongated voodoo answer for it, but its just an unconscious habit. I can promise that ive never modded one intentionally lol
  12. how about this B4 on "I" ?...which to me is a beautiful ringing note, one of my faves. Modded? any other comments on it?
  13. ok that makes sense too. Seems to me the real heavy vowel modding guys would be the guys who are trying to get a big chesty sound
  14. yeah, I guess I have: no range no release no freedom lots of tension no access no availability Its amazing I can even sing at all Seriously though, if its such a subtle thing I dont see where one needs to spend too much brainpower on it And I never got an answer on what i asked before. One says "modify THE vowel". Ok, thats all cute on a siren supposedly using one vowel etc....but what about a continous phrase?? for example: "machine gun, battle cry, you pray to God when the bullets fly" all up around d5-f5. I dont hear any freaky modifications going on. Seems like its more a matter of a basic setup of the vocal tract etc to access that range, REGARDLESS of whatever vowels....because he is hitting numerous vowels there. If he is modding anything it must just be a natural thing because who has time to think their way thru a verse when their trying to sing it?
  15. yeah, this I can see as well. Sometimes when I siren up or hit a note its all fine and dandy but then when I want to sustain and vibrato it and try to let it ring, I may hear a slight adjustment on the vowel or on the coordination somehow (doing whatever feels natural to make it ring).....but thats a long way from hitting 4 different vowels in less than an octave. That I simply cant see I notice some singers mod vowels but it seems more stylistic or due to accept. Like David Coverdale when he says "I can never deny" comes out as "denah" lol. or the sort of bluesy way to say things like "more" = "mowah" etc....but thats totally different than saying "omg, I cant hit this note"