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  1. Hey everyone its been ages since I last posted here, but since then i picked up ken tamplins course (which in its own way has helped with a lot of things) But I do have a couple questions that I think are related but I may be completely wrong. First question i have is what sort of sensation should i feel while singing with my diaphragm? I think ive been doing it right however I dont know quite how it should feel. Ive been doing the inhale and belly expands and then as i sing/ exhale my belly goes back to normal. but I dont know if thats all there is too it or if im supposed to be using certain muscles in my core. if so which ones? The other question ties in a bit as through said course i took they mentioned "leaning" into the sound to get a distorted tone. I had no clue what that meant so I went to good ol youtube to look up metal screaming tips (figured that would be for the extreme cases) so they talk about pushing with my abs (sort of) really hard and it will distort my voice through my chest not my throat. all that, that has done for me is make me louder and at points hurt my throat. So any input or suggestions for this would be greatly appreciated as I dont really care for messing my voice up lol. Thanks
  2. Help in developing the grit

    Hi everyone im daniel,l im newbie in this forum, so yeah i started to sing early this year inspired by singers like jonny craig n tyler carter, one thing i noticed about jonny craig is that when he tries to sing high there is a little distortion, this is one of my favorites songs by him, u can hear that grit almost all song, i mean i can sing high but that exactly technique is what is hard for me,im self-taught so i dont have i coach so, i wish u could help me or at least understand it n how to perform it or develop it,
  3. Something I have been thinking on lately. I really see good basic, supported, open throat singing as the real basis for good rock singing. I see a guy like Paul Rodgers being almost the ideal base model. Learn that base and THEN add on or go into other directions such as Plant/Cornell As far as actual difficulty or skill level of various classic rock/metal singers, I see it sort of as follows starting from "easiest" to hardest: (of course, ALL of these guys are great and all of it is hard to get close to!) Paul Rogers-----> Robert Plant, Chris Cornell, Rob Halford, Geoff Tate-----> Bruce Dickinson, Dio My reasoning: Paul Rogers has a great tone and in general he "just sings". He doesnt go out of his way to do anything fancy or overly impressive, yet he does sing with a nice tone through a decent range Plant, Cornell, Halford, Tate. These guys are more varied and may generally have a higher tessitura etc, but some of it isnt THAT hard to sing because it gets into a released type of headvoice sound. Some if it can be emulated without a ton of physical effort Dickinson/Dio. Okay, these guys can be ridiculously hard to emulate. IMO you have to actually have the strength built to sing like these guys. ESPECIALLY Dio. This is like bench pressing 315 lbs. Reading a book or finding a "trick" wont get you to bench 315. You have to put in the time and work up to it ITS HARD TO FIND DECENT COVERS OF DIO, EVEN FROM OTHER PROS!!! That says a lot Some of Dios songs are in a higher range than what u might think....yet he still has that beefiness and somewhat "round" tone. You can tell there is a lot of support. Yet when u see him on live clips it doesnt seem that hard for him. Of course by the time any of us heard of him he was at least up into his 30s with a lot of mileage under his belt so he had that technique and strength down solid So that leads me to this video where the guy shows 2 approaches to singing "Rainbow in the Dark" To my ears, the first version is way closer to Dio. The 2nd version isnt that close So this is the hard part. Can one get that sound WITHOUT the really strong supported style?? Like the guy in the vid said, he was exhausted by the time he got to the 2nd verse etc. Is it then just a matter of one having to build that strength over time?? Here are a couple of covers by guys that do GREAT covers....but they dont get that close to Dio IMO. to my ear, both of these are a little "lighter" than Dio. So therein lies the dilemma. How to get that powerful compressed sound yet stay sort of "round" yet also still be light enough to sing into decent higher range?? Even good old Ken, who promotes strongly supported singing etc....sounds rather strained while attempting the Dio stuff. Doesnt really sound like Dio at all and this guy. Great singer, huge range etc. 2.4 million subs. Doesnt sound anything like Dio though Felipe gets pretty close, which is impressive since he has to fight his natural accent and sing a second language etc. Felipe's tone is pretty warm generally too AFAIK Jorn is about as close as ive heard and even then there are some slight differences. Jorn seems a tiny bit scratchier whereas Dio could be really clean while still sounding huge So was Dio just a mutant or did he just build great strength and control over time? here he is live. assuming this vocal is indeed live lol Im seeing him using decent support and lots of resonance. In other words it seems as if he is pushing a lot of air up with a generally open throat....letting that air find good resonance up in the head etc, as opposed to physically trying to squeeze with the throat. of course I may be totally wrong lol His speaking voice already had that sort of warm round tone to it so maybe he just got lucky and learned to sing with power with his natural round tone Anyone have any ideas or want to discuss?? Peace, JJ
  4. This semi-old timer has always had a beautiful raspy tenor vocal quality! He must be singing safely yes? He's been doing it all these years! I've posted some nice samples of his work with The Gypsy Kings. For those who don't know who they are, a real cool "Rumba Flemenca" style band made up of two sets of three Brothers who are cousins. All very talented guitarists. Nicolas (lead singer) plays a right handed guitar upside-down and backwards. In some ways they are similar to Mumford & Son's in that, after a while the rhythm of all their guitar parts sound the same. This first video, he's just sitting around in some kitchen with family & friends (I presume) and starts singing to the camera. Somebody at the table picks up the harmony along the way. Couldn't be more raw. Love it. The other video's are a couple of my Gypsy King favs. Great example of distortion in a non-rock setting. I wonder who taught Nicolas that awesome distortion technique? Not to mention all those incredible runs! talented bastard!
  5. Trying to get into singing

    So I have always been into singing but have never had any formal vocal training. Chris Cornell was my favorite vocalist and his recent unfortunate passing reinvigorated by interest in singing. I have always been fascinated by how full Chris sounded in his head voice/falsetto, assuming that's what he uses when he goes high. I tried to sing Cochise by Chris Cornell. I am unsure whether this is what Chris does, since, in comparison to him, my voice sounds very thin when I go into my head voice. I would like to get some feedback and hopefully some pointers about what I am doing right and wrong. Cochiseaudio2.mp3
  6. Control Master

    I had mentioned this singer "Chris Stapleton" in another thread. Thought I'd share this video/song he recently published. I was really struck by the numerous examples of solid vocal athleticism that arise in this performance. I try not to overanalyze every good vocal too often, cuz sometimes I loose the "soul" of the song in my ear from all of the deconstruction I use to understand the vocal. Couldn't resist on this one. Still "hearing the soul" to date. I've tagged all the key words that I believe I recognize "done well" in this composition. Personally, I'm most impressed with his mastery over what I would assume are the critical configurations which bring great resonance with comparatively low level respiration. I'm convinced that, with the best possible formant, combined with the strength support of skilled appoggio, the "illusion" of a belt is created. He is singing at a relatively low volume yet, the intensity of his voice is sustained. The same nuance is applied to his vocal distortion, which he employs mostly in the higher notes. Those are my impressions.
  7. Hey guys, I'm posting this as a sort of "hey all, long time no see, I'm doing well" hahah EDIT :Also, I don't ask for critique or review, I'm just showing what I've been doing for others who want to listen or study. I think someone posting about what they think the distortion is, or how it compares to theirs does not help my singing directly. I repeat myself "I posted this as a "hey all, this is what I've been doing" because the "tell your gains" thread is dead. If after this clarification my thread still belongs here, then I'm ok with that, but I just wanted to make it clear. I just wanted to debate singing and technique in general, or whatever someone wanted to ask ( about my vocal fold gap, reflux, etc ), cheers everyone! . I've been working hard on my voice as always, carrying weight up and my headvoice twangy range. My max weight is on B4 and headvoice range topping on E5 on good days, with a solid D#5. I have a vocal fold gap ( acording to my stroboscopy on 2015 ) and I don't know the current state of it. It's a lot better, sound, strength and stamina has gotten waaay better. I still feel my voice a lot different though, I don't know if its because of the vocalis muscle that's grown stronger or what, but I wouldn't give up the stability of my voice now or my sound, for the flexibility or -strained- range I had before ( 2014-2015 ) Well, I come to tell you guys... I at last found some kind of distortion that feels healthy in my voice, and is sustainable. I've tried the "throat singing" type of distortion ( false folds and cartilage, Hetfield style ) but it hurts and always leaves me with air leak and poor stamina for days or a week or two, even. I've tried creaking distortion but as I already mentioned, my voice is kind of f***ed up in some way, and I don't know if it's normal but I have a hard time coordinating fry, lol. and when I manage, it leaves my voice very worn out if done for 20 minutes. This kind of distortion I found is probably like the rattle described in CVT terms ( kind of what Jorn Lande does most of the time ), where something ( I think arytenoid cartilage ? ) vibrates, but in a different way, I feel like the upper and side walls of my pharynx contracting, which makes something vibrate and produce this "overlay". I t's still a thin grit and I have to put quite a bit of effort in it to make the walls contract enough to make the sound but I guess with time and patience the strength will come and I'll be able to put more "anger" into it coordinated with vocal weight. I must mention that doing this distortion makes my voice last longer, stamina is better, and closure is getting better too. I feel my muscles are working out and getting stronger, and I have an easier time mixing into my upper range. All this change in a span of 5 days, so it's important to note. I hope you guys like how it sounds, this is the fifth day since I found it, videos are from yesterday
  8. Closer to Mixed voice?

    Hi, so just recorded this clip (No rain)(sorry for the quality, im traveling right now) but I want to know if im using the right technique, and if this is any closer to a good mix voice. Of course, a lot of things to work on regarding the song, but I'd like to know if im on the right track and what should I improve or work on for those high notes. At the end of the clip I also did a small comparison between a very nasal tone and a cleaner tone. Im not sure if this nasal tone is the right way (+ diaphram compression) to get a good distortion for heavier songs? Finally i also attached another clip (Paradise city) which is basically me playing around with this nasal tone quality to see if i get a good result. Thank you very much! cant wait to be singing these songs live:D
  9. When I sing I like to put an extreme distortion sound on for fun, and I think I've always been able to naturally do it. I have read about it being harmful if done incorrectly and not utilising the false vocal chords, so I am curious if I'm using my throat or not to produce the sound. It's not uncomfortable to do but If I do it quite strongly for a while my throat does feel somewhat dry / warm, so I tend to stop when that sets in. If I was to describe how I do it I'd say its like a screaming whisper but done in speaking voice. Here is a recording from me messing around online ruining peoples ears and then singing straight after without it (This is quite loud) http://picosong.com/pdpS/
  10. Hello Modern Vocalist World! I just wanna thank Robert Lunte for his labor - the secret is revealed. For I was searching, trying, doubting... And finally TVS. So practical, exact explanations, awesome! Here I am singing and playing on this video: Vinni
  11. I've been an instrumentalist for a long time, but recently started training with a vocal teacher for the first time ever. She's a classical person, and knows her stuff there, but is flat-out against all breathy tones and dirty tones as impossible to do healthily. Moreover, she's telling me I have a big opera Baritenor kind of voice, completely unsuited to rock/metal vocals, as most rock singers have very thin voices. I wonder if she is right or not (She also says pretty much 100% of all 'those singers' shred their vocal chords and sing over nodules they develop and get surgery or steroids behind the scenes to keep them going - don't know if anyone here would like to challenge the veracity of that?) One of the reasons I went to her was because I had no earthly clue how to do some of the things I was hearing from my favorite vocalists. I could do my 'quasi-opera' voice, I could do a decent impression of Meatloaf and big clean tones like that. But Soundgarden/Chris Cornell type vocals? Nope. Dio or James Hetfield? Not a chance. And death metal cookie monster stuff? No way. I can't even imagine where in your voice that comes from, I seem completely incapable of doing that, or in general putting any hair on my tone at all. I thought I was just missing the technique, but is it possible I just don't have a voice conducive to that type of thing?
  12. Does professional and the vibrant and pleasant vocal tones develop over a long time? I am not currently satisfied with my range and tone especially and I want to be able to develop more and more. How is he able to manipulate his tone so well comparing the first two videos and third video? It's almost as if he's two different singers.. Personal questions: I have been singing for a while now but only recently throughout 2016 I have "Properly practiced" getting rid of my bad habits, fixing tone, pitch, etc. 1. Is it normal that after I started to do so, my range increased VERY FAST. In a span of 4-6 months, I am able now to reach the notes he is singing that otherwise BEFORE I would just choke and sound like I am shouting. Just curious because I am worried I might be destroying my voice by pushing it too hard. There are times before I damaged my voice by improper technique which I guess somehow made my voice range increase as a short cut? is that even possible? I tend to just go all out when I sing right after doing my workouts. Example song I practice is the first video I post below.. ( I am currently using Ken Tamplin's workouts, if that is helpful in any way). ONE IMPORTANT thing to note is that as I go up in pitch and shed my weight, It feels like the TONE of my voice gets higher as well. It's like I sound chesty in the lower ranges then suddenly like little kid in the higher ranges. I also tend to MIMIC singers for a long time... sadly.. is it normal that I am mimicing their style in every different singer? I feel like it doesn't sound "right" if I don't sing with their TONE. 2. As I go higher in pitch, is it normal to feel like something in my mask/palate area to NARROW DOWN? It feels like my mask area is flexing and my chords are very tightly closing. IT ISN'T PAINFUL. Or is this improper technique? Am I suppose to feel COMPLETELY OPEN? When I try to keep it completely open it feels like my voice goes SPLAT and airy and it hurts. Sometimes I feel like I am overwhelmed wondering if I am singing right or am I singing improperly even following his lessons and achieving growth. Anyways heres, the singer. How is his technique? It'll be awesome if there are some veterans or experienced singers to guide a newbie like myself to achieve this versatility in terms of programs and what I need to do. How does everyone here see Ken Tamplin's program?... Thank you!!
  13. Rob Halford, 65 today. Super iconic singer some songs and vids I grew up on This one also happens to have a "model" guitar solo Insane vocals
  14. Also, what does vocal distortion mean exactly? Because I put this question in this tag, but I'm not really sure if it belongs in this tag.
  15. this vocal affect I'm not sure how it works but it seems similar to distortion and vocal fry. I've been able to mimic it and want to continue to expand its use but lately I can't recall how to make it happen. listen to the wobble In the first line 'I found god on the corner of first and amistod', what is that is it compression? does it have to do with nasality? I notice it usually shows as vowels approach the nasal syllable n. Perhaps it's a pharyngeal wobble/vocal fry? another example if you skip to 3:38 on the word gone
  16. This is just a quick recording, Using what I call "Fake" voice. I am playing with a little rasp. While growing up and singing with relatives they would condemn me for NOT using "MY NATURAL" voice. So I got stuck thinking to "Fake it" was a wrong thing to do. I think that some of this is on the right path to "Singing" rather than what I was doing before and thinking that I was "Singing" using my "Natural" voice. So if you would .......... Point out what is "Right" rather than just saying it sucks and I need more lessons. Thanks.
  17. I don't usually sing torch-y rock stuff like this but I love listening to it and heavier stuff within the genre. Wanted to try something new. Any and all feedback is welcome. https://app.box.com/s/88yuem4987gdtg3ip3vx47bnyx2z3vfn
  18. Maynard James Keenan

    Hello, I'm desperately trying to emulate the hard vocal style of Maynard James Keenan for a cover of "Passenger". I know i'm not a natural tenor, but the notes -- the fry scream sound -- it's all there. Just not the chest-like fullness of his voice during the chorus. Mine is like a whisper of my chest voice, then the head voice, and then a powerful, raspy fry (think "Sail" or Manson's scream). My guess is that most people who try sing this song fail because i've never heard a good cover : /
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  20. So my previous singing teacher/vocal coach of a couple of years is holding singing auditions for a production and she told me it'd be great if I could audition but the songs in the actual play that I'm auditioning for has a lot of old rock songs with the growling voices and distortion and well as 90's pop and soft rock. Problem is, I've been Estill trained since the very beginning, and I've been taught that I shouldn't growl too much because it requires constriction of my false vocal cords (or the newly discovered way with the aryntinoids which I know nothing about), so while I can do it, I know that even if I do it for the auditions, I'll not be able to withstand the growling constantly during the actual show. Do you guys think that I can get away with doing a 90's rock ballad or adding growl-like sounds through glottal attack instead? Thanks so much!
  21. Robert Lunte - "NOCTURNE"

    Robert Lunte - "Nocturne" I love this song, I hope you do too... Some of you have heard this. This is the Final production. Special thanks to my team Zack Uidl, Jason Shavey and Clay Copeland.
  22. I'm having trouble replicating the screams of this singer (Tyler Joseph of Twenty One Pilots). Does anyone know what technique he might be using to scream? Whenever I try I just end up with a sore throat. How is he able to scream without damaging his vocal chords? And how does he scream that high and sing screaming? Thank you!
  23. Hi there! I am new to this forum but I am going crazy and I need an analysis of technique or opinions of this singer! (Specifically 2:47 - 3:05) How is he able to pull so much weight up sounding full without narrowing his tone into (best way I can describe it) a little boys voice?! Compared to the 2nd video where (same song and singer) he just transitions to (correct me if I'm wrong) to mixed/head voice. or is he doing something completely different? (2nd video : 2:34 - 2:47) The singer is Korean! Thank you!
  24. Hi, I'm new on this forum. I'm 15 years old and I'm going through my vocal change so maybe that has something to do with my problems. I have two main problems. The first one is my clean voice sounds really gay. When I talk I don't sound like this but when I sing (especially high notes) I do. The other problem is I'd like to sing aggressively, but I don't know how. I'd like to sing aggressively but without screaming, something like Jeremy McKinnon (vocalist of A Day to Remember) when he sings choruses, but I don't know which techniques I have to use (I don't actually know what the tags I've put on this topic really mean) or if my voice is able to do it (I think I have a high range but I'm not sure either). As you can see I'm quite lost, still don't know if I have a good voice or a really bad one, maybe singing is just not my thing, who knows. However, I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a solution to my problems. Thanks a lot. PD: Sorry for my English.
  25. Happy New Year! A song I wrote with and produced with "Thin Black Line". Engineered at Synergy Productions. Probably influenced a bit by Peter Murphy's album, "Deep", which is is characterized by rich, baritone sound colors, minus the super high screams of course because Peter Murphy doesn't scream like this. Hope you enjoy it. To learn more about TVS training, check out our program for singers here: http://www.TheFourPillarsofSinging.com. Cloud Burst, from unlit skies cloud bust, from unleht skuh-eez Onward – Way ward lives Now pretend, until you overcome Now Prehtend, un tell yuh ovuh come And decent, Hide from everyone hand dehsend , hud from everyone chorus I would be your eyes I well beh yuh uh-eez When you look away, and I When yuh luck uh weh Would be your dreams Wud beh yuh-r drehms At the Break of Day, and… hat thuh brehk ov deh hand I would be your fear) I wuld beh yuh-r fehr On the night we pray and I………. Hon duh nuh-eet weh prey hand duh-ee Now wonder, where secret lies And hunger - Until you realize Chorus I would be your eyes I well bay yuh uh-eez When you look away, and I When yuh luck uh weh Would be your dreams Wud bay yuh-r drayms At the Break of Day, and… hat thuh brehk ov deh hand I would be your fear) I wuld beh yuh-r fehr On the night we pray and I………. Hon duh nuh-eet weh prey hand duh-ee I!!!!! HI am this life W&R Onset I am this life I am this LIFEE!! I am this life I am this life I am this LIFEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Solo---------- 3:17 SCREAMING!!! I would be your eyes When you look away, and I Would be your dreams At the Break of Day, and... I Would be you your fear On the nights we pray and I………. I am this life X15