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Singing 10 vowels to different notes

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So after I sang to someone I was told I needed to work on my oh and ow vowels as they are  causing my tone to accidentally darken
So I have done what was recommended but decided to sing 10 different vowels of ee, ih, eh, a, ah, aw, uh, oh, ou, oo, instead of singing the recommended oh and ow
And sang them to the pitch of this piano/ organ app which I recorded the notes from this link

At the bottom of the page is an image of the piano. And inside the red lines of that piano are the notes I have sang
I started at middle C (presuming middle C is the middle key in the piano) and worked my way up a note and down a notes at a time
I will do more notes at a later stage though

The links I have listed below are what I have done, the first link of each note is ee-ah and the second link of each note is aw-oo

But I have worked hard at this doing each vowel at each note many many times
Do you see there is much more work to be done?



A2 (6)

B2 (7)

C3 (8)

D3 (9)

E3 (10)

F3 (11)

G3 (12)

A3 (13)

B3 (14)

C4 (15) middle C

D4 (16)

E4 (17)

F4 (18)

G4 (19)

A4 (20)

B4 (21)

C5 (22)

D5 (23)

E5 (24)


piano MVF.png

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Awesome great idea "cat"!

Since I know you are a student of The Four Pillars of Singing, I can't help but notice that the 10 vowels you are working on are precisely the same 10 singing vowels we study in The Four Pillars of Singing. In fact they are in the same sequence as well, which is important given that the sequence of these sound colors represent where the resonate energy is directed ( front to back palate / red > purple > blue ), and how narrow or open the vowel is ( top [narrow] to bottom [open]). For the sake of the exercise you have created, don't forget those important points. Glad to see that the  TVS acoustic modes were helpful in showing you what vowels, or singing colors you can use to get on your feet for your project.



Now then, your invented exercise...

Your idea is good and has merit, however, you will never fully reap the benefits of what you are creating here, unless you clearly understand WHY your doing this and what the benefits ACTUALLY are. It is not sufficient to just cycle through a bunch of sound colors and not REALLY know what your hoping to gain with it, and the benefits.

Can you be clear about what you are hoping to achieve with this idea?

Also, who ever gave you advise on /oh/ and /ow/ causing darkness in your voice, they are recognizing a common problem with students of singing. I commend them for noticing that. But here again, do you understand why? Do you understand what is making those sound colors dark and do you understand how to fix it? If you go back to your 4Pillars course and take the lessons in the "TVS Acoustic Modes" module and then train the video demonstrations I provided for you out at "My Training" > Integrated Training Routines... you will know why this is happening and how to fix it. In fact, this problem you are describing, is precisely one of the main reasons for the Acoustic Modes presentation and lessons in 4Pillars. 

Which backs up my point... just cycling through sound colors, albeit interesting and kinda helpful in building some coordination of the articulators, is NOT going to answer the question of why its happening and how to fix it. What that is going to do for you is;

- Get you to feel the resonation of the 10 vowels, provided that they are done properly, which is another contingency that can fail if you are not clear.

- Workout the coordination and motor skills of your articulators to form and shape these vowels, again, provided that you are doing it properly.

All have the value of learning and getting coordinated, so your not totally wasting your time... but again, just doing this activity does not fix your problem you stated above. You have to understand in more depth, the nature of these sound colors; resonance, features, advantages, benefits, what they can fix, what they can't.


Without looking at the graphic above... could you tell me where /oh/ and /ow/ resonate in the palate? If you don't understand that basic fact about those sound colors, then you will never fix your problem.

Lastly, you are requesting a review of your singing... this needs to be in the "Review My Singing" forum.

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No I am not a student of the four pillars!
those 10 vowels where recomended for me to practace by another member of this forum

I was told i needed to work on my oh and ow vowels going as high and as low as I can so that is why I created this task


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What he's doing sort of works for a more classical style. He's correct in his description of what's happening. His implmentation of it needs some work. The guy's tongue is all over the place, and his overall embouchure is horrid! In contemporary singing, that "buzzing" he's talking about is better done with tracking (like humming and buzzing the lips), quack (glottal closure), and then using opening and narrowing of the vocal tract to help tune the formant. It's similar to the "eeyah" he's doing, but far more effective in training placement of the voice.

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But what he said after was; if you keep practicing these exercises from one to the other and back again,
then you will have the resonance of each vowel shared in every other vowel so all the vowels will be equally resonance
So I guess what he is say there is he is not just only singing 5 vowels solo (like I was on the above exercise) or the color vowels as Rob puts it
But he is singing any vowel in between the said given 5 or 10 vowels

So I take it you wont be buying tickets to go see him sing at the opera then:lol:

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