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So after I sang to someone I was told I needed to work on my oh and ow vowels as they are  causing my tone to accidentally darken
So I have done what was recommended but decided to sing 10 different vowels of ee, ih, eh, a, ah, aw, uh, oh, ou, oo, instead of singing the recommended oh and ow
And sang them to the pitch of this piano/ organ app which I recorded the notes from this link http://www.kongregate.com/games/buttonbass1/player-organ

At the bottom of the page is an image of the piano. And inside the red lines of that piano are the notes I have sang
I started at middle C (presuming middle C is the middle key in the piano) and worked my way up a note and down a notes at a time
I will do more notes at a later stage though

The links I have listed below are what I have done, the first link of each note is ee-ah and the second link of each note is aw-oo

But I have worked hard at this doing each vowel at each note many many times
Do you see there is much more work to be done?

Thanks

2CIADB


A2 (6)
https://app.box.com/s/g5bqj3lneub23k550l6tbh1qpmq0u7kv
https://app.box.com/s/b4x7zcjlfxa0fdgzbj8t993cflcwz4fd

B2 (7)
https://app.box.com/s/ncrqoxix0d8rxosv4yez1bnnkl5hc8nq
https://app.box.com/s/1tazdpmy7rhwvk1524bmn20a43jrawzc

C3 (8)
https://app.box.com/s/3yhkqkcf1e56he75rlo7uotg46zoj066
https://app.box.com/s/wg5pmu98skppci031mv3rl7ouyd8i7v6

D3 (9)
https://app.box.com/s/r5zp147rezjqvlh5swwriswrv0rtpffq
https://app.box.com/s/aazy2p1zt6bgmn2dx3vfqsnao7ukyp66

E3 (10)
https://app.box.com/s/uk7gsexxmsrll66wrnoq0k4n0spc7ipq
https://app.box.com/s/jxb9fkgxrlz8tzf3718rrx29fikbtqqv

F3 (11)
https://app.box.com/s/3yf1zm711kyll5loi7i3wg7saiohpthc
https://app.box.com/s/sd0jh3spqg45gxawsrz966ljcjd5jdwy

G3 (12)
https://app.box.com/s/6xemcs9oloq7ticr2upomf8m7vro3zdc
https://app.box.com/s/w405xb8qefehqwqc20p3pa79lqom1etr

A3 (13)
https://app.box.com/s/mzw37jqs27hz6a1hhbtjjlq18v0szwxm
https://app.box.com/s/wt6160a2kajbyiux1dlb3dykgfo5ycmh

B3 (14)
https://app.box.com/s/p0uq7sdmz8vq2b4eu73bz1uqahjdd3iy
https://app.box.com/s/w01pxlwf8mwqfq5r3f6zzy8guv0r3ovj

C4 (15) middle C
https://app.box.com/s/3nqm37nifylqd64em11j5nhys39u8w32
https://app.box.com/s/uxd9f7iop4yy0x7a9g8ciivcochnzr6u

D4 (16)
https://app.box.com/s/54pvx6u55voctplrmubx728lvl0m5n12
https://app.box.com/s/jbdq4u8fstj66qbmbmoogvsa656oj4s7

E4 (17)
https://app.box.com/s/f83l4nxrwj6xhfl2vzbs56crr8i6liyh
https://app.box.com/s/qbpprthkz9jmy0h2n3l0p4yv2ybv3m1f

F4 (18)
https://app.box.com/s/fwq9pv9gszlypmouf5p5r893unya05vc
https://app.box.com/s/5dknwrrcoaj8r4xj04qkf0pqzxqfibmp

G4 (19)
https://app.box.com/s/pgfhdrgnxhdu0ljy5w6fjpmwgk99rhta
https://app.box.com/s/g23diog2qwpjri7dekxb810dt2j6wf46

A4 (20)
https://app.box.com/s/fu4nk3bzoum3adae7fikme1x3g616088
https://app.box.com/s/utv1igpnm771uvayui196evx9e51fk4x

B4 (21)
https://app.box.com/s/w4bu0iw6cyopa70cl5jmq4c6bcxw6zj0
https://app.box.com/s/e7ulif4l5hx04g4d6et9khpe7ctiph0t

C5 (22)
https://app.box.com/s/a4ygldv7e0rgb9oxtvjg4nd58skczyij
https://app.box.com/s/2z8b7swe21a2pgaqlgrlx0rjt01mya6r

D5 (23)
https://app.box.com/s/ad27auu6r3yvbikd2ywl0uji7yzx8yfc
https://app.box.com/s/rwyymmc93tlek84ibnw6049d6ce7km12

E5 (24)
https://app.box.com/s/19dbuf12hqqix7dqbox0hm9nlv0layij
https://app.box.com/s/o8u1jogv9wle5gneuod3enij29kk1cn4

 

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Awesome great idea "cat"!

Since I know you are a student of The Four Pillars of Singing, I can't help but notice that the 10 vowels you are working on are precisely the same 10 singing vowels we study in The Four Pillars of Singing. In fact they are in the same sequence as well, which is important given that the sequence of these sound colors represent where the resonate energy is directed ( front to back palate / red > purple > blue ), and how narrow or open the vowel is ( top [narrow] to bottom [open]). For the sake of the exercise you have created, don't forget those important points. Glad to see that the  TVS acoustic modes were helpful in showing you what vowels, or singing colors you can use to get on your feet for your project.

Primary_Singing_Vowels_FINAL_r1.jpg

 

Now then, your invented exercise...

Your idea is good and has merit, however, you will never fully reap the benefits of what you are creating here, unless you clearly understand WHY your doing this and what the benefits ACTUALLY are. It is not sufficient to just cycle through a bunch of sound colors and not REALLY know what your hoping to gain with it, and the benefits.

Can you be clear about what you are hoping to achieve with this idea?

Also, who ever gave you advise on /oh/ and /ow/ causing darkness in your voice, they are recognizing a common problem with students of singing. I commend them for noticing that. But here again, do you understand why? Do you understand what is making those sound colors dark and do you understand how to fix it? If you go back to your 4Pillars course and take the lessons in the "TVS Acoustic Modes" module and then train the video demonstrations I provided for you out at "My Training" > Integrated Training Routines... you will know why this is happening and how to fix it. In fact, this problem you are describing, is precisely one of the main reasons for the Acoustic Modes presentation and lessons in 4Pillars. 

Which backs up my point... just cycling through sound colors, albeit interesting and kinda helpful in building some coordination of the articulators, is NOT going to answer the question of why its happening and how to fix it. What that is going to do for you is;

- Get you to feel the resonation of the 10 vowels, provided that they are done properly, which is another contingency that can fail if you are not clear.

- Workout the coordination and motor skills of your articulators to form and shape these vowels, again, provided that you are doing it properly.

All have the value of learning and getting coordinated, so your not totally wasting your time... but again, just doing this activity does not fix your problem you stated above. You have to understand in more depth, the nature of these sound colors; resonance, features, advantages, benefits, what they can fix, what they can't.

Question:

Without looking at the graphic above... could you tell me where /oh/ and /ow/ resonate in the palate? If you don't understand that basic fact about those sound colors, then you will never fix your problem.

Lastly, you are requesting a review of your singing... this needs to be in the "Review My Singing" forum.

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No I am not a student of the four pillars!
those 10 vowels where recomended for me to practace by another member of this forum

I was told i needed to work on my oh and ow vowels going as high and as low as I can so that is why I created this task

 

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What he's doing sort of works for a more classical style. He's correct in his description of what's happening. His implmentation of it needs some work. The guy's tongue is all over the place, and his overall embouchure is horrid! In contemporary singing, that "buzzing" he's talking about is better done with tracking (like humming and buzzing the lips), quack (glottal closure), and then using opening and narrowing of the vocal tract to help tune the formant. It's similar to the "eeyah" he's doing, but far more effective in training placement of the voice.

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But what he said after was; if you keep practicing these exercises from one to the other and back again,
then you will have the resonance of each vowel shared in every other vowel so all the vowels will be equally resonance
So I guess what he is say there is he is not just only singing 5 vowels solo (like I was on the above exercise) or the color vowels as Rob puts it
But he is singing any vowel in between the said given 5 or 10 vowels

So I take it you wont be buying tickets to go see him sing at the opera then:lol:

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