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i would say this is what they call on CVT (as you have noticed till this point im heavily based on CVT hahah, well, on some things at least!) "flageolet split" of the voice, research what you can about this term :P on the CVT book they talk about this, but i have an old version, i dont know how it is currently!

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12 hours ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

Well there I was again; singing scales as you do.

But today and a bit of yesterday my voice cracked when singing at this range; I can normaly sing these notes in my head vocie with out a problem but just now I can not!

Anyone know what has caused my voice to start cracking?

https://app.box.com/s/ukl64k9kxnsqrxfwuu4oq7vtfmpb5ubb

 

 

Thanks

2CIADB

In a recent thread you were asking about TONE or TIMBRE, A change in tone or timbre will require other changes to your singing. Before, you were allowing your voice to do what was needed to get the pitch without being conscious of the tone.

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CVT??

Tone/ timbre I am sorry to bouth of you but I have no idea what you are talking about.

I sang the same scale exersise today with out any problems and I do not see what tone will make any differance to my ill voice I sang with yesterday

 

If you are convinced this is a tone issue then I will upload another clip of me singing scales when I can manage to sing the entire piano at some opint over the weekend

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im pretty sure i answered this topic a couple days ago, mmmhh anyways

 

"I will upload another clip of me singing scales when I can manage to sing the entire piano at some opint over the weekend"

do it :P

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Hey Cats,

Whenever you post a clip of your singing and ask for it to be critiqued, it becomes a Review my Singing Request. The Review my Singing (RMS) forum is a consultation service that we provide to help you get feedback on your singing and training. As such, it is a paid service because a thorough consultation of your training and singing takes time. We wish to provide you the best feedback and insights regarding your singing that we can.

 

Kindly navigate to the link below if you wish to pay for a review.

 

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Thanks Geoff.

Cats in addition to the invite to have a more formal review of your singing via the service, I can't help but ask...

1. Do you have a training program?

2. Are you practicing, or just looking for tips on forums and youtube?

there is nothing wrong with doing that, but it's not going to result in you ever getting past the problem of your voice cracking. If you are not training and singing regularly , then your spinning your wheels. 

... the reason your voice is breaking could be forbabout six different reasons. It is probably the most complex answer anyone would have to give you. Most likely.

1. Your physical strength and motor skills are not practiced enough, because you not training, ... or not training properly, to support  the extremities required to support and anchor...

2. ... the required acoustics ( vowels, resonance ), to sing the notes your trying to sing. 

Extreme physicality is required for extreme acoustics for extreme singing. 

tough love coach

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I have been sining this set of scales for several weeks now; but as I said normaly my vocie dose not crack that low up the scale

But I do train as much as I can within the time scale I can or before I am physically exhausted trying not to break my vocie

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15 hours ago, geran89 said:

"I will upload another clip of me singing scales when I can manage to sing the entire piano at some opint over the weekend"

do it :P

Dont think that would be advisable given the other comments to this thread

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I´ve just heard the clip and honestly I have no idea of what you are even trying to do there

Sing a song, these scales, done in this manner, will do you no good.

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"Cats"... you are making vocal sounds that have no pitch reference at all. Further, there is little to no compression on your vocal folds, so it is a very weak, falsetto position that has no musculature activated of significance. It is a mess.

My best advise would be to work on onsets. One not at a time and work on matching pitch and getting compression on your voice. And singing some songs. I agree with Felipe, this is wasting your time.

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You can work it out, Cats. Just trying to do too much at one time. Work on your pitch first. What I hear is the actual scale you're singing doesn't sound like you just completely don't know what you're doing; it's off based off the reference note you're playing, and the notes you're singing in the scale tend to trail off. Try playing the note and matching your voice to the note while the note is actually ringing out, and then record it. Then you'll be able to hear whether you can match your voice to the pitch you are hearing. Once you can do that, you can sing the scale starting from that note. And you should also be mindful of the vowel sounds you are making when you do these scales. Focus on the sounds "A" as in "Aye", "E", as in "Ee", "I" as in "Eye", "O" as in "Oh", and "Oo" as in "Ooh". Hold onto the vowel all the way through the scale.

 

Right now, you are focused on your voice cracking while singing notes in your head voice and you demonstrate that by performing a scale improperly, from the wrong reference pitch, while in falsetto.

 

You sound the same as I recall hearing you in that initial Radiohead cover you posted. I said it before, and I will say it again: Four Pillars would be wonderful for you. And this is coming from somebody who has it and sees how you can benefit. Tons of exercises. Robert does many of them, so you can actually do them along with him and perform them as he does them, just like I used to do with my vocal coach. That alone would allow you to work on pitch, strengthen your voice and help develop timbre. There are clear workflows to guide you through the delivery, step by step, which will allow you to pinpoint exactly what you are having trouble with. And then there is the section on this forum for Pillars students to help troubleshoot things further. 

I think you'd be well on your way with that. Otherwise, you can still solve these problems and work on your voice, but it's much more involved. With Pillars, it's just all sitting right there in the luggage; you just have to unpack it.

But, like I said, you can work it out.

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6 hours ago, Gsoul82 said:

With Pillars, it's just all sitting right there in the luggage; you just have to unpack it.

Yep. thats all you have to do. "unpack it". Train, practice. Everything Cats needs is available to him, and it has been for as long as he has been posting here. If you train and do what needs to be done, instead of "winging" it, you'll get results. If you don't, you won't. 

speaking of "unpacking it"... I just produced this. Its a tour of the program.

... good luck... 

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6 hours ago, Robert Lunte said:

Yep. thats all you have to do. "unpack it". Train, practice. Everything Cats needs is available to him, and it has been for as long as he has been posting here. If you train and do what needs to be done, instead of "winging" it, you'll get results. If you don't, you won't. 

speaking of "unpacking it"... I just produced this. Its a tour of the program.

... good luck... 

 

And I'm saying that as in he doesn't even need to go looking around for anything. It's an incredible luxury to have the key to everything just sitting there. You don't have to look for it. When you're a beginner, and you don't know how things work and you have no idea what you even need to do to make things work, it can take a lot of time to make progress. Even after taking lessons for some years, I went on the self-teach route for a few years, and I've just now started making big progress because I started doing something that a musical friend of mine told me to do like a year and a half ago. I realized I was listening to him.

 

So, to just have it all there and have somebody telling you to "do this" or "that" exercise, and have things start to work before you even full realize why they're working, that's a very worthwhile investment.

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Thanks

But I have just gotten over a heavy belt of laryngitis and feling a lot better now and I hope to be back to singing scales and other strenuous exersises soon

That full set of the piano is too much for me and I must take it easyer by doing only the bit that is in my vocal range

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