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I think it would be nice to have some additions to the website.

Ratings for each video.
Comments for each video.

This would be good both for students, to learn from each other and see if a video works or not, as well as for Robert, to take feedback on videos and see which works etc.

Possibly add buttons for "needs work", "confusing", "too long", "boring", "insulting"/"downtalk","redundant", etc. These would be quicker forms of feedback that would allow Robert to make note of areas that may need to be changed.

For example. I just watched a 6 min plus video that was talking (arguing) about semantics, and talking about wasting time. Ironically, I felt the video was wasting my time (no offence intended here, just trying to offer critique for improvement). I also felt that there was a lack of information on proper understanding of what "operational definition" is on Robert's side. The video could easily have been made shorter, addressed in a more objective and informative tone, and less confrontational towards a non-existent combatant.. 
----- (I'm talking about the "mixed voice" is dead video. )

Not sure if anyone else would find ratings/comments useful. But I think I would. Perhaps even a search function.
 

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in general, people arent going to see posts you make in your journal. Usually a journal is more like a diary where you keep track of your own progress etc. Most actual discussions take place under       SINGING & TRAINING TECHNIQUES-->General Discussions

 

if you think that video was argumentative, you aint seen nothing yet and you might ought to fasten your seatbelt. You will find that its almost IMPOSSIBLE to actually discuss singing using text words lol. no one agrees on what the terms mean and people use different terms for the same thing sometimes and vice versa. Then some people want to force the rest of the world to use whatever brand of terminology that person has learned. Its very frustrating to all involved. My advice...just try to understand what people actually mean as opposed to how they go about saying it

I felt bad because some of my threads ended up in arguments. I didnt feel so bad when I searched back on the forum and saw these same exact arguments over the same exact terms going on 6-8 years before I joined the forum lol. And its the same on all singing forums and music forums in general

 

If you feel brave, search for these terms: belting, support, head voice. hehe, good luck

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well the whole site is about The Four Pillars. it just gets confusing because you have "the Four Pillars" which is a singing program, but then you have 'the Modern Vocalist" which is the forum, then you have "TVS" which is The Vocalist Studio, which is Robs studio i assume. But essentially its all the same thing lol

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As JonJon said, semantics are a HUGE deal. It can get confusing very fast when everyone is using different terminology and you don't know how to translate it quickly.

Having created and run my own courses, I think opening up the course for feedback in that way could quickly become a nightmare. You've seen Youtube, right? A better feedback system is in both the results the students get, and how many questions they ask, showing if they understand the material or not.

In the case of the mixed voice video, that's a major point of contention and misunderstanding in the singer community, even among teachers. That videos gave a solid explanation of what mxied voice actually is, made for people from those who  have no clue, to those that would argue. For those that simply want an explanation, sure, it could've been cut down. You can even quickly read over the text beneath it instead. But for those who think they know differently, a much mroe htorough explanation is needed. Half of teaching singing to a new student is dispelling myths, misconcepttions, and years of habits that are either wrong or horribly misunderstood.

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The problem with making a course that is full of useful and thorough information for everyone is that it's more than some people need and still not quite enough for others' needs. That's why having a coach to walk you through it can be so important.

When someone wants the entrie chorus to revolve around only what they want for themsleves, then they don't want a course, they want private coaching. Private coaching takes a lot more personal focused effort, and thus costs lot more. This course is exhaustive, comprehensive, and complete, not created for you specifically. Creating the impression that you are self-centered is a good way to get coaches to not want to work with you. To publicly (and completely unsolicited) proclaim how the course should be changed in your favor is short-sighted, small-minded, and self-centered. You're better than that. See the bigger picture.

That approach is also a good way to get fired by your teacher. It says that you don't want to learn and train, rather that you want to complain, be spoon fed, and babysat. Again, you're better than that.

If you're concerned about getting the training you signed up for, then go to the training part of your course rather than spend your time going through every single thing on the informational side and then complaining that you're wasting your time with something you chose to do and no one forced you to do. If you think you don't need the talk track and thorough information on certain topics, even though others do, then don't watch those videos. Read over the text underneath them to see if you think it will be helpful to dive deeper.

If you simply want to critique instead of ask quesions for clarification, then feel free to sod off. You're not going to get much out of anything with that attitude or self-centered approach. If you want to learn, then ask questions, seek to understand, and know that you are part of a large community of people that are at all different levels of learning and understanding and all willing to help each other.

Now, if Robert asked you for your feedback on such things, because he trusts you as experienced in coaching vocals or putting together training courses, then by all means, give him feedback. I don't think that was the case. What you're asking for is essentially Youtube, which is wide open to self-important freeloaders, trolls, and self-proclaimed experts on topics they know nothing about. Again, asking for clarification and the "why" behind the way things are, especially when wanting to learn from someone much more experieenced than you, will get you a lot further than criticism, especially cristicism based upon the world revolving around you.

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You know what guys... I work very hard to provide you all a great service, including this forum which is free to you.  How inconsiderate.

8 hours ago, thematrixiam said:

Ratings for each video.

This feature is not available on the platform the course is on.

8 hours ago, thematrixiam said:

Comments for each video.

This would be good both for students, to learn from each other and see if a video works or not, as well as for Robert, to take feedback on videos and see which works etc.

Thats a good idea. I just sent an email to the developers to find out how to do that. Not sure if we can. If we can, I'll enable it.

4 hours ago, JonJon said:

if you think that video was argumentative

 

This is the video we are talking about.  This is argumentative? It has over 87 thumbs up and 12 thumbs down, and over 15,000 views. I guess people like it.

 

4 hours ago, JonJon said:

well the whole site is about The Four Pillars. it just gets confusing because you have "the Four Pillars" which is a singing program, but then you have 'the Modern Vocalist" which is the forum, then you have "TVS" which is The Vocalist Studio, which is Robs studio i assume. But essentially its all the same thing lol

No its not. TVS is the company. The Four Pillars is the product, book+Course and The Modern Vocalist World is an open forum for all styles, teachers, schools, methods and discussions and has been for over 8 years. TMV World is not the same thing as TVS. They are both owned by the same guy, but that doesn't make it the same thing.

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1 hour ago, Draven Grey said:

Creating the impression that you are self-centered is a good way to get coaches to not want to work with you. To publicly (and completely unsolicited) proclaim how the course should be changed in your favor is short-sighted, small-minded, and self-centered. You're better than that.

Thank you. And to think I almost sent him a free hard copy book to be nice as a gift for coming on board... 

1 hour ago, Draven Grey said:

then go to the training part of your course rather than spend your time going through every single thing on the informational side and then complaining that you're wasting your time with something you chose to do and no one forced you to do. If you think you don't need the talk track and thorough information on certain topics, even though others do, then don't watch those videos

Exactly. Go Train. Let's cut to the chase and get on with the most important thing... go out to the "My Training" page and get to work. Start training. Then come back into your "journal" and show us what you've been doing. Let's see and hear your voice and what your doing with the training. Use your journal for that. The Journal is not a customer service portal.... suggesting that I pay a developer to put complaint buttons on every lesson page? Is this a joke?

1 hour ago, Draven Grey said:

What you're asking for is essentially Youtube, which is wide open to self-important freeloaders, trolls, and self-proclaimed experts on topics they know nothing about.

No doubt, YouTube "free secret tip" people... My program is for these people. https://thevocaliststudio.com/testimonials/.

 

Rich, i'm not sure how to interpret the negative vibe in your posts... so be aware that you are welcome to a refund if you like. Just let me know. If you don't want a refund, I echo Draven's advise. Don't get fixated on the nuances of how you interpret  my disposition in a lecture. Focus on getting results, and that means watch a couple lectures, work through the red modules I recommended and then get to the "My Training" page and put your real vocal progress where your post is.

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