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  2. Hi all, apologies for the length of this. I’m a male in my mid 30’s, nearly zero music / singing / performing experience as a youngster. I Decided to take up guitar lessons a couple of years ago, (did a few at 7, gave up) still going, managed to get to grade 3. I’ve never really accompanied my playing with singing (guitar teacher suggested it early on when playing acoustic , I was horrified of the thought of doing that in front of him, aside from the difficulty of multi tasking etc) probably a big reason why I changed to electric. I downloaded a singing course last year and did that for a bit, though a couple of months ago I decided to take some singing lessons even though I’m shy so its a pretty big deal for me. I thought it could help with my musical ear and understanding of theory etc which are novice level, I also have been messing around on a keyboard for that purpose. I’ve always hated my speaking voice as its monotone and I think that shows through with my vocal tone. I’ve had about 8 lessons and I have improved a bit with scales, stretched my range somewhat, improved vocal break etc and my teacher just said she thinks I have a tenor range which I was surprised by as I assumed I’d be a baritone. I know that range doesn’t mean much if you don’t sound good, which is where my point is heading, singing tone just sounds very boring, even if I’m hitting the correct notes, it just sounds dull, boring, uninteresting. Is it my physical makeup the reason for my general sound and if so is there any point in proceeding with practice if this is something that cannot be changed?? I mean I could spend a few years practicing, maybe get good enough to be in a band guitar wise (bit of a pipe dream) and then people would be like jesus with the sound of your voice we wouldn’t even want you to do backing vocals!
  3. I am a Baritone whose voice range is from (F#2) A2-A4(A#4) I can Belt an A4 very comfortably after warming up my voice but that thing does not work with bb4 note give me some tips to belt my bb4 note and my passagio occurs at G4
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  5. "Born into a family of musicians, including a mother who sang in church, Jay Buchanan didn’t ‘discover’ music in a sudden, Damascene revelation. Practically from birth he was immersed in old blues, folk, funk and soul, much of which would eventually feed into his own music with Rival Sons. In retrospect he agrees that everything he’s listened to has influenced him. “And that includes the music that I can’t stand,” the singer says, “all the shitty pop music, it’s all informed who I am as an artist.” The above is from a website listing his top 10 influences. You cannot say he was "Self Taught" when he grew up with other musicians and singers. You let each other know when things are sounding good and when something went wrong. And you have the opportunity and the approval of "Getting loud and passionate" when singing. This is something that other non "Natural" singers do not have and seek through Training and singing programs. It is more about having "Permission" or the "Necessity of Training" to get loud and unlock the voice rather than sitting quietly in your room trying to make these sounds "Without" being heard and subject to ridicule. Another important point is being Passionate about singing itself or about the "Message" within the song. You almost have to have a Feeling that the message is important enough that other people need to hear it or that YOU the singer needs to "Let it out" so to speak. Another former member of this forum had as one of his Mantras to "Get out of your own way" when it comes to singing. Us "Non Natural" singers have apprehensions about being heard that hinders our progress and LOCKS the voice. I think those messages are within this next Video.
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  7. I was the only one who commented on that post. As it is you sounded pretty good to my ears. For any singing to get "Better" is to work in the comfortable range and record yourself and note what sounded good to you and what did not. Rerecord with minor(or Major) changes and note the difference in sound. Learn what your voice can do and what it cannot. Use different "Attitudes" when practicing. What I mean by that is that our voices take on different characteristics when in different emotional states.... a cry has one coordination, when happy and excited it coordinates in one way and when Mad or authoritative it uses another, While laughing another coordination takes place. Learn how to do these things on purpose and use them in your singing and training.
  8. I don't sing countertenor but I would like to. I usually sing in full voice and I think the song he is refering to is the post I made about singing in falsetto better.
  9. If F4 to A4 is your comfort range then Yes you are a Tenor(unless you are confusing F4 with F3. F4 to A4 is normally the trouble zone for Baritones, in general most people have trouble in this area. I did not hear the Song you posted that Felipe was able to hear. Could you put a link here? People can have different ideas of what "Head Voice" and Full voice is. You may have taught yourself by using "Head voice" when singing and believe this is your "Natural" voice and have not really learned to use full voice. Especially if you have been singing counter tenor. Some people naturally use a lighter voice when speaking than others.
  10. A "Coach" is just that. A Coach. You have "Teachers" who teach you the methods and Techniques and you have "Coaches" who help guide you with where, when and how to use the techniques with different songs or your approach to singing them. There is a difference between "Training" and learning "Techniques" and Singing. Rarely do you have both together in a Vocal Program. Our Voices are built the same way. They work the same way(unless there is some kind of deformity or injury ). The resulting sound may be different just like you have different sounds from different types of guitars but you still use the same guitar chords and rhythm and lead patterns. The choices you make in what technique, which type of distortion to use, to open a vowel or close it, Head voice on this phrase, chest on that while singing a particular song is usually not part of a "Vocal Program". But, If you watch some of the Master classes with Opera singers you will usually see that instead of any talk on "Technique" you will find suggestions on delivery and How to make the song more dynamic and emotional to fit the song (Which includes chest voice on this phrase and head voice on that, sing softer here, etc.) rather than proper breath support and Pitch correction. The "Technique" training has already been done and usually for years before the "Master Class". Singers who have developed a style on their own usually do just that, develop a style that works with their voice and the type of music they are singing and they usually stick with that style. Take them out of their element and their "Style" or "delivery" may or may not work. How the voice works is the same for everyone. How you use it is what is different. Think about the different "Great Singers" , DIO, Chris Cornell, Bruce Dickinson, Michael Jackson, Paul Rodgers, Freddy Mercury, Add in others from other genres....Elvis Presley, Smokey Robinson, Roy Orbison, James Brown on and on....Any one of them singing the other ones songs is not going to use the same distortion, vibrato, delivery etc of the other singer... it would not work. They are going to change the music to fit their style and they will adjust the Key to fit their voice. Elvis singing any other song is going to use the techniques and approach that worked for him and so is Chris, Dio, Paul and the others. The underlying "Techniques" or "Foundations" are still the same.....Breath support, Resonance strategies, Pitch tuning, larynx and soft palate adjustment..... "singing" is in the expression and delivery....Timing, Dynamics, Vibrato, Distortion and when to use them or not..... This CAN be taught but is not usually included in generic vocal training programs.
  11. I like slow songs I don't know what else to call it and my low range (c3-c4) is very weak I can sing it they sound good but they I can't sing it loudly and I don't really know where my middle range although the easy notes for me to sing are around F4-A4.
  12. I just wanna have a good strong head voice to sing countertenor stuff but also a strong full voice to sing tenor stuff, and I am not really used to head voice I rarely sing in it but I do pratice at home though.
  13. Hello Anderson, I heard two clips, the one here and another one where you sing a song. It does not sound bad on the singing one, this one is just a siren so there ain't much to say. On both you are approaching it using your voice closer to what you would need for classical female singing, counter tenor, but in this one it seems you are trying to open more and use more power. So this may not sound very good if you don't change from the kind of head voice you are used to. What do you want to sing?
  14. Ah!!! I love some Rival Sons, can you get on the messenger chat so we can talk? Would love to hear how you approach this! About voice training, it´s true we can´t reach down on other people´s throats, but I would not say it´s just an icing in the cake either. If you know how sounds are produced and you are smart, you can use certain sounds and ideas to help positions to be acquired. This can be pretty handy specially when dealing with powerful and high pitched vocals. Welcome!! Link to the chat in messenger:
  15. Just saw them in LA, and was blown away by Jay. I can assure you he is the best male rock singer alive since Chris Cornell, and Dio before him. Speaking as a professional rock singer who can sing Rival Son's stuff, (sans formal training, too btw), voice is NOT like other instruments. A guitar teacher, for example, can teach anyone how to play a D chord.They can put your fingers on the frets and make you play it. You cannot do this with singers. A "coach'" can't reach down into your throat and arrange your vocal cords. Vocal instruction is good to put the sprinkles on the icing on the cake. You, the singer, have to bring the cake and the icing, You cannot teach a bad singer how to be good, let alone sing like Jay or just be decent. The ONLY way to develop Jay's level of chops is to have a great ear at an early age (genetic), and be blessed with tone/pitch (genetic), something nobody can teach you. It's on you. The more you sing, the better you will get. And you, on your own, will learn about what works and what doesn't. If you push yourself carefully, you will discover that you can move seamlessly between register shifts and voice shifts. You will learn how and when to use the core, when to blend, and when to rely on head voice alone and how to connect all in a song. You will learn how to blend falsetto into chest in a single line. Jay does this masterfully. And it's very difficult unless your breath control is solid. Your best education will be to watch the best singers and take notes of what you see and don't see in their technique. Watch Ronnie James Dio, watch Tom Jones, watch the people who are consistent, versatile, and make it look easy, which, in itself, is a technique.
  16. yes but bad practise due to ignorace can only lead to tail of the dog now sillly little man Another walter mitty again silly knocker! really; your only fooling your self for the following reasons..... Chefs spent years learning differnet meals/ dishes/ recipies in the same way that singers did learning melodies to be able to mix and match them and come up with there own recipe that one could call tallant but you have it the wrong way round gain (as ever)
  17. WOOW 10 YEAR OLD POST! not read his book but be interested to compare this against breath support and alinement
  18. But all depends on the song you are trying to imitate; many many songs
  19. Sure, or just not bridge if that's the choice. It's also common when you listen to high level performers to find the use of transitions as an interpretation resource, as part of the dynamics of the song, instead of just a technical means to execute the high range. Something like changing from full head voice to chest on the upper mid range (A4-C5), in heavy metal, Dio and Bruce Dickinson did this a lot. Other singers change from a more aggressive style to a more melodic one using the different registers as different characters. Many, many choices!
  20. Practise. That's the simple answer. Practice gives you flexibility and options in expression and style. There is no absolute "better or worse" when it comes to expression and style. It's subjective. You choose style and expression, and try to get the listener to buy in to it. The listener is not the artist. The art is your job. The singer is the artist, a bit like a chef or painter. The chef isn't going to ask you how he can improve his recipe -- he is going to try to "educate your palette", and the painter isn't going to ask you how she should mix her colours. That is what makes them artists and not simply technicians. Once you know what style you want, then the question of controlling your voice takes shape, and those questions are more specific and objective. e.g "How do I make my tone lighter or heavier in a particular range?" or, "I would like to use vibrato, how do I do that?"
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