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Hello everyone, I am a masters degree student from the University Of West London. Currently, I am in the process of writing my dissertation. 
Could you please help me out with filling in the survey for my dissertation that is about the stage persona? Please notice this survey is only for singers/vocalists. 

https://uwl.onlinesurveys.ac.uk/stage-persona-conscious-experience-or-unconscious-talent

 

Thank you in advance for partaking!!!

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Hi Nadzhiba, I took the survey but how about contributing to forum with your own interactions instead of asking for surveys.

In my opinion surveys are tainted by the very questions they ask and can and do give false results.

I play guitar and sing in a band and it is a very different experience with different priorities and interactions than with a theater type of performance. Acting, Dancing and other types of performance require their own degrees of concentration and interactions with an audience. Sometimes it would be more beneficial to ignore the audience than to interact with it.

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On 9/2/2019 at 6:02 PM, MDEW said:

Hi Nadzhiba, I took the survey but how about contributing to forum with your own interactions instead of asking for surveys.

In my opinion surveys are tainted by the very questions they ask and can and do give false results.

I play guitar and sing in a band and it is a very different experience with different priorities and interactions than with a theater type of performance. Acting, Dancing and other types of performance require their own degrees of concentration and interactions with an audience. Sometimes it would be more beneficial to ignore the audience than to interact with it.

Hi MDEW, the survey is conducted for the research paper that some singers might find helpful. So, in a way, it's a global contribution. 
I don't agree, not always, in my research, I will try to validate all the answers considering academic resources and previous studies. 
My survey is not about theatre type performance; it is not about actors; it is about the persona that we adopt; the persona that acts as an extension of our true self. 
I agree about the dancing part; it does require the particular degree of concentration that we all can achieve by practising regularly. 
However, here's the thing, what's the point of singing (telling the story) if you don't wish to share and instead chose to ignore the audience. Automatically, the performance without an audience or the consideration of audience in not a performance anymore.

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3 hours ago, Nadzhiba said:

Hi MDEW, the survey is conducted for the research paper that some singers might find helpful. So, in a way, it's a global contribution. 
I don't agree, not always, in my research, I will try to validate all the answers considering academic resources and previous studies. 
My survey is not about theatre type performance; it is not about actors; it is about the persona that we adopt; the persona that acts as an extension of our true self. 
I agree about the dancing part; it does require the particular degree of concentration that we all can achieve by practising regularly. 
However, here's the thing, what's the point of singing (telling the story) if you don't wish to share and instead chose to ignore the audience. Automatically, the performance without an audience or the consideration of audience in not a performance anymore.

Hi Nadzhiba, Thanks for a second response. Usually when someone is asking for input on a questionnaire or poll there is no second post.

    I have found , as a singer in pubs, clubs and other situations where you have personal contact with the audience that a separation from Band personality and home personality is a benefit. As a shy person it is easier for me to view the person on stage and the person I am as two different people. When on stage I am hoping for for people to notice me and give me their attention, off stage I would rather be an observer and stay in the background. At some point there seems to be an integration between the two. At least that is the way it was for me. I now find it a bit easier to talk to strangers than it was in the past.

    Also in a pub/ club situation the song choice changes with the personality of the audience. There is no set arrangements. There may be a master list with suggested song order but that usually changes within the first 10 minutes.

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On 9/10/2019 at 10:55 PM, MDEW said:

Hi Nadzhiba, Thanks for a second response. Usually when someone is asking for input on a questionnaire or poll there is no second post.

    I have found , as a singer in pubs, clubs and other situations where you have personal contact with the audience that a separation from Band personality and home personality is a benefit. As a shy person it is easier for me to view the person on stage and the person I am as two different people. When on stage I am hoping for for people to notice me and give me their attention, off stage I would rather be an observer and stay in the background. At some point there seems to be an integration between the two. At least that is the way it was for me. I now find it a bit easier to talk to strangers than it was in the past.

    Also in a pub/ club situation the song choice changes with the personality of the audience. There is no set arrangements. There may be a master list with suggested song order but that usually changes within the first 10 minutes.

Hi MDEW, 

I guess it is how the development of your stage persona has affected you; therefore, now you find it easier to talk to strangers. As I mentioned before, the persona is a real side of us; the side that we use where we feel the most confident (stage) not to be scared to show it. I guess now that you're in the process of your persona development, you will soon notice that that stage confidence will be implemented in your life. Hopefully, that integration will become one. 

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The survey is not for me, but I find the topic interesting.

"All the world’s a stage,
And all the men and women merely players..."

etc. from Shakespeare's "As You Like It".

That's one idea: we never escape the stage persona, because life is itself a stage on which everybody acts.

So, I was wondering what the difference is between the person, the persona and the personality. Apparently, they all share the same etymology, deriving from the Latin word "persona" meaning "mask" (actor's mask).

So, this idea that we are all fake azz actors must go back quite a way!

The original word even has the connotation, not only of "adopting characteristics", but also of masking or covering up other characteristics.

I didn't see the questions in the survey, but I wonder if that idea was explored -- natural idiosyncrasies, characteristics and behaviours that you AVOID when performing.

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1 hour ago, kickingtone said:

 

That's one idea: we never escape the stage persona, because life is itself a stage on which everybody acts.

what stages have you been on then?

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    I have friends who hate being "fake" or "fake" people. They end up stepping on toes a lot and losing "friends". As you said before "all the world is a stage" etc. and we play our parts. I do not look at it as being "Fake" if I avoid using bad language or telling "Blue" jokes with certain people. More out of respect for them than for my own value system. I would not tell the same joke to my grandmother that I would to an old school mate. Even that depends on which grandmother because one was a devout  christian and held those values and the other was more open to worldly vices.

   If you are a musician or singer in a night club or a public venue, you may have to adopt the value of the crowd or their taste for a bit to  either get their attention or to gain some credibility with them. You are there to entertain them,  sometimes you have to be able to adjust to what they want in order to show them what you have to give.

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See my most recent post about faking it, coz this whole thing is BS!

What they do is they book a singer online with an online directory or a so-called agent if they want a singer.

These people want someone for a birthday party or wedding and have never booked before in there lifes and probably next time they book another singer they completly forgot about the first one. 

What they do is they go online to book nowerday and go solo off of there online profile which includes photo, youtube videos and a bio

The photos are generly a photo of them posing in front of a high end camera (all very well shot though) posing in a wood pretending or portraying to be a song writter, posing in a cafe pretending to be a film star, very rear will you see these signers advetising there live gigs with real photos of them on stage.

Then we have the videos, make your own home made stage up at home or in an old mill/ warehoues and hire in 3 good cameras and sing to your backing tracks; then when done dub the audio with something out of the recording studios (dose not even have to be yours).

 

Look at this guy http://bigfootevents.co.uk/Hire/Barry-Gibb-Tribute-Night-Fever

And look at his video sang in a recording studio, or is it! well I think he's far to away from the mic to be able to sing properly like that, In a recording studio ay! whats the chances of its a fake recording studio with someone ells voice. But the agency Big Tree from Blackpool who he is working for (if you dear call them an agency) think it all real too!

WOOOWEEEE WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!!!!!!

I guess to be a good singer nowerdays you dont need to be able to sing, so long as you can keep in timing with the song and mimick along, and as long as you are good with photography and filming and computer art work then that is all you will need, dose not matter if you are good or bad singer as the people who booked you will never book you again anyway. So long as the agency get paid for the performance then that is all they care as they can ditch you at any time when another one comes along, as there are plenty of tallented youtube channels out there!!!

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It does not work like that in the real world sideshow. You play a gig and others at the show approach you if they have an event coming up. If you did good then the owners of the club will book you for another gig. Your "Agent" if you have one will already have a list of places who he books talent for. They used him in the past and he provided someone that is a good fit for the club. It is not just a hit or miss thing. Word of mouth travels when you are good. You also get a bad reputation if you are bad.

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Maybe for desperate people or to get started, but to get a following you need to play in the same area at regular intervals. The people get to know your band and make it a point to go to where you are going to be playing.

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2 hours ago, sideshow said:

So I take it you dont get booked online then?

Who books you and your band?

Members of the band book the jobs. We play the songs, while on break members of the audience, if they have an event coming up, will tell us they want to hire us for Party, wedding, birthday or other social event, and give us the date. At the end of the night, the owner of the club or the one who books events for the club will give a date and ask if we are already booked for that time or schedule us to come back'. There are many places to play within an hours drive. Even a small town will have 3 or 4 different clubs/bars/restaurants  that have live music.

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I do not have a Youtube channel at this point, but I would not have one for the purpose of getting jobs. It would be for sharing songs that I enjoy. They are a far cry from what I would play and sing in a "band" setting.

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So you dont get any booking from complete strangers online then, its just every where I see them asking to hear your recorded vocals first before we can audition you. This site is a complete joke! http://joinmyband.co.uk/

If I was any good I wonder if I would get a good audiance busking on the streets

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If I was looking to join a group I would use something like that. But. I would not hire a full band through a web sight.

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That web site is full of time wasting little shytes, who think they are something they are not dont train study practice but condem the better work of other, the same kind of folk found on the jimmyshitforbrains and busking on the streets and open micers as I mentioned before in prevuis rantings. They had a forum on there but they took it down due to the arguing between myself and other members. Well its simple, David Icke now has a new saying which is if you can not win an argument then you dont have one, hence why all my posts where removed on the jimmyshitforbrains

 

I was just about to close the jimmyshitforbrains files, but I have a new plan using the dubbed audio video thing I did on the other thread. And I will see if the jimmyshitforbrains bullyboys fall for the troll trap this time

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