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According to my understanding of the word, "falsetto", I am using falsetto in some places in the following clip (although not everywhere).

A definition I tend to use means that you can use falsetto on just about any note in your range, low or high. Falsetto is produced when your vocal folds vibrate without being compressed (and I think that that covers quite a lot of different shades of falsetto, and falsetto mix). I see falsetto first and foremost as stylistic. Not as a fallback for reaching high notes.

But, the following is a typical definition of falsetto. Look how strongly it has been associated with high pitch! They make it sound like a fallback method, rather than a style.

falsetto

/fɔːlˈsɛtəʊ,fɒlˈsɛtəʊ/

noun

MUSIC

a method of voice production used by male singers, especially tenors, to sing notes higher than their normal range.

"he sang in a piercing falsetto"

Similar: high voice high-pitched voice high-pitched tone shrill tone piercing tone ear-piercing tone

a singer using the falsetto method of voice production.

a voice or sound that is unusually high.

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I would not call that falsetto. I would call that "Mix"", "Head voice"" or "neutral".  Of course many people have their own understanding of falsetto.  My opinion is that Falsetto in a male voice has characteristics of the female head voice and/or  a mickey mouse sound....hollow or flutey. The vocal folds are just vibrating on the edge and there is little vocal fold mass involved. The sound is different because the voice does not produce as many over tones with falsetto as it does with full engagement of the vocal folds.

Even though you were singing light and you may have felt that something changed, the sound was still connected and consistent with the lower notes or a ""Modal" sound. The vocal folds were vibrating the full length with a good bit of vocal mass vibrating.

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Still fooling tail of the dog now silly knocker!

Ow I dont want to beet about the bullshit or bullshit about the bush now, but as ever you little singing clip has nothing to do with what you are talking about (which is complete twadal as usuall BTW) because I can not hear any fasselto in your singing (and I doubt MD can either)

But as allways in this job constructive critisum comes from selective hearing. An example of this would be a pannal of judges in a working mans sports and social tossers club who have never work in music before, never sang publiclly too and never undergone any form of musical training what so ever; who are auditioning profesanol singers who can only say I like that one better then the other for reasons they dont understand simplly because that song was there favorate and brought back the memorys of what a shit little life they where having at the time hear on prison planet and the other song was simply not there taste of music full stop! Lets face it you could be the greatest singer in the world but if they dont like listening to nessun dorma then it ant going to go down well and lets face it that the intellectual personalities of such a group is quite far away now from that of opera fans

 

So Back to SLMs fasseto, ow well I guess you could breifly hear it at the end of his cords he had sang as it would appear he had ran out of air, I would say more lack of breath support and allinment more then anything ells is wrong with his singing! But I am sure he knows all this from all the training study and practice he has done over all these years now ;) (tail of the dog now remember)

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On 11/26/2019 at 12:16 PM, kickingtone said:

falsetto

/fɔːlˈsɛtəʊ,fɒlˈsɛtəʊ/

noun

In my last life I had a walter mitty  dreamed and pretended to be a mathematician, well in this life i think I will pretend to be a philosopher and say intresting find SLM and where did you find it from and can you translate it to english, but more then likely we will not hear a responce as its not talking ner ner time again!

 

Now on the subject of /fɔːlˈsɛtəʊ,fɒlˈsɛtəʊ/

Hear is a record I did the other day. at 4.53 I say the word murder in /fɔːlˈsɛtəʊ,fɒlˈsɛtəʊ/ which is very breathy and then I turn into head voice. At the 17.15 the entire song is in /fɔːlˈsɛtəʊ,fɒlˈsɛtəʊ/

https://vocaroo.com/8EaQbq0m4NU

 

 

are found it

NOUNfalsettos

  • 1Music 
    A method of voice production used by male singers, especially tenors, to sing notes higher than their normal range.

    ‘he sang in a piercing falsetto’
    1. 1.1A singer using the falsetto method of voice production.
       
      ‘One second he's a falsetto, the next he's a baritone.’
    2. 1.2A voice or sound that is unusually high.
       
      ‘Philip answered in a prim falsetto’
      as modifier ‘a falsetto voice’

VS something completly different

 

Falsetto (/fɔːlˈsɛt, fɒlˈ-/, Italian: [falˈsetto]; Italian diminutive of falso, "false") is the vocal register occupying the frequency range just above the modal voice register and overlapping with it by approximately one octave.

It is produced by the vibration of the ligamentous edges of the vocal cords, in whole or in part. Commonly cited in the context of singing, falsetto, a characteristic of phonation by both sexes, is also one of four main spoken vocal registers recognized by speech pathology.

The term falsetto is most often used in the context of singing to refer to a type of vocal phonation that enables the singer to sing notes beyond the vocal range of the normal or modal voice.[1] The typical tone of falsetto register or M2, has usually a characteristic breathy[2][3] and flute-like sound relatively free of overtones[4][5]—which is more limited than its modal counterpart in both dynamic variation and tone quality.[6] However, William Vennard points out that while most untrained people can sound comparatively "breathy" or "hooty" when using falsetto production, there are in rarer cases individuals who have developed a much stronger falsetto sound production which has more "ring" to it.[7]

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11 hours ago, Jeremys Fool said:

The typical tone of falsetto register or M2, has usually a characteristic breathy[2][3] and flute-like sound relatively free of overtones[4][5]—which is more limited than its modal counterpart in both dynamic variation and tone quality.

   This is the KEY aspect of falsetto and distinguishes it from "Modal"(full voice, full head voice). "Relatively free of overtones" It Cannot produce over tones because of the coordination of the vocal folds. The folds become "Locked" into position, Only the thin edges of the vocal folds are vibrating. 

 

11 hours ago, Jeremys Fool said:

The typical tone of falsetto register or M2, has usually a characteristic breathy[2][3] and flute-like sound

   "Typical" means most often but not always. You can use a full modal headvoice and be breathy and flutey and NOT be using Falsetto. Breathy and flutey do not define Falsetto. The coordination of Thin folds and strong CT(cricothyroid) activity and little TA(thyroarytinoid) activity defines falsetto. The outer edge of the vocal folds become "Stiff" They can still Make contact while vibrating and not sound "Breathy" but the sound will still be distinct in tone and vibrational characteristics.

   Full voice can "Mimic" falsetto, Falsetto cannot "Mimic" full voice.

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Clearly, there are many different opinions on what falsetto is. I can find people who will tell you that the clip is ALL falsetto, as well as those who say there is NO falsetto AT ALL.

If we go by the overtone definition, it is not even clear how "relative" "relatively free of overtones" has to be for the sound to be falsetto. It's still a qualitative definition.

I looked at the spectrum of a sample of notes from my clip and there is a clear difference between the notes I would call falsetto, and the other notes. The fundamental frequency is the highest peak for the "falsetto" notes, and the peaks decrease on successive harmonics. On other notes the highest peak is not on the fundamental. So, what I am seeing is not inconsistent with this definition of falsetto. (I know vowel also comes into it, but I took a representative sample.)

In fact, at the end of the quoted article it suggests that falsetto can have a "ring" to it. This is not surprising as you have to take into account what all the filters and resonators may be doing to the source signal. This is a non-linear process that can readily create and accentuate a harmonic, even if you start ONLY with the fundamental.

I even think that falsetto is more a quality than a mode, in that you can bring it in or out in degrees. i.e you can mix it with modes. I don't know exactly how that would work physically (perhaps a portion of the vocal folds are in falsetto mode). I can certainly feel when I am mixing in what I call falsetto. It feels different from simple lightening of the tone.

I don't think that falsetto is measured by airiness. It may be the case for some vocal support methods that rely on vocal fold compression. But other methods allow the air to be held back more independently of vocal fold compression. So the folds can be in falsetto mode without leaking so much air. And then reconnection to modal is not ALWAYS impossible.

Finally, I do feel the transition from falsetto to modal and vice versa, especially if I am looking for it.

A really "simple" example, is "John Brown's Body". In my mind the phases are basically plaintive-plaintive-plaintive-triumphant. For me, going slightly falsetto can introduce that plaintive sound. So you have to be able to mix the falsetto in and out. It is easy to flip (instead of phase) if you are not careful. That is why I say that no song is simple. The so-called "simple" ones help you to practise SOMETHING.

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    I know that people use the term to mean different things. Even the dictionary definition can be used to mean anything above the passaggio because the CT must be involved when singing above G4 in men and G5 in women.

     The definition I use is what I stated Because there is a physical as well as tonal and vibrational change that is distinct from a modal sound , configuration and vibration. The sound can be Airy and flutey and hollow like Mickey Mouse or a Man imitating a Female voice or it can be tight and closed like Beegees singing "Staying Alive".

     What I am calling "Falsetto" others may call "Whistle voice" at too low of a frequency to have the "Whistle" characteristic sound. A separate physical change may take place between the "Falsetto" configuration and "Whistle" configuration.

    At any rate, There is a distinct difference between Falsetto and "headvoice" to my ears. Maybe it is a quality that some others do not listen for or they have been taught to listen for a different quality that I myself do not hear.

   I am not saying that others must use my definition of falsetto, I am merely stating the definition I use and Why I use that definition.

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12 hours ago, MDEW said:

   This is the KEY aspect of falsetto and distinguishes it from "Modal"(full voice, full head voice). "Relatively free of overtones" It Cannot produce over tones because of the coordination of the vocal folds. The folds become "Locked" into position, Only the thin edges of the vocal folds are vibrating. 

 

 

8 hours ago, kickingtone said:

If we go by the overtone definition, it is not even clear how "relative" "relatively free of overtones" has to be for the sound to be falsetto. It's still a qualitative definition.

im pretty sure there is no over tone ringing to me when i do fasetto

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