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Hey Guys, i am really struggling to make progress with my high screams. I bought Ken Tamplins course a while back and studied and praticed to it alot, my singing doesn't have much to do with his though, because it never really worked out for me. The head voice part just lacked alot of information. I can't sing aaah or aeh in head voice. Above around d5 it just cracks at it feels really bad. I am doing pretty good with all the other vowels, the female soprano voice works well etc. its just that i feel like i can't even make my headvoice stronger because i can't open it up. I can go higher with an open vowel, but i have to use a mix or have to use insanly high effort in comparison to the other vowels to get higher. I really want to learn to sing better in head voice, guys like Chris Cornell, Rob Halford, Ian Gillan and many more are my inspiration. I can get a pretty powerfull sound on the highs but it is much too exhausting, because i think i am pulling my middle voice that high. It doesnt have the same soundquality aswell. Jens Viktor Johannson is amazing with these screams for example.

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OK I will try the exercise. 

Mdew so I am am going to sing closed vowels with "pure head voice" and the open ones with a mix (in the high range)? I have been doing that before, before I am really warmed up. One more question, the falsettoish tonal quality of the screams from guys like Rob Halford, Phil Anselmo, Eric Adams and such, does this come over time from practicing the high range alot or is there some kind of vocal effect they are using, because if I am using twang or cry in my mix, it doesn't sound right very often. I know that it is really hard work to get there, I just wasn't sure if I am doing it right, or if there is some other "register" for these really high screams. 

Thank you very much for your help :)

 

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There is more than one way to sing stuff on the high area and the 3 singers you listed as reference are effectively doing 3 different things when it comes to the core coordination, what is similar is that they often used some sort of distortion on the higher notes.

That is probably where you should look. Trying to make head voice sound like a scream on its own is not realistic, you will probably need a stronger approach AND distortion to get to what you want.

I hope it helps. Rock/Agressive vocals is what I do and teach, let me know if I can help further.

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1 hour ago, Felipe Carvalho said:

There is more than one way to sing stuff on the high area and the 3 singers you listed as reference are effectively doing 3 different things when it comes to the core coordination, what is similar is that they often used some sort of distortion on the higher notes.

That is probably where you should look. Trying to make head voice sound like a scream on its own is not realistic, you will probably need a stronger approach AND distortion to get to what you want.

Hello Felipe.

Happy fooling! I mean happy new year

I did not think distortion had anything to do with singing and is only related to too much volume though a PA syatem

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7 minutes ago, silly dog said:

Hello Felipe.

Happy fooling! I mean happy new year

I did not think distortion had anything to do with sing and is only related to too much volume though a PA syatem

Hah how silly, there is never too much volume through a PA system.

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7 hours ago, OmaGesicht13 said:

OK I will try the exercise. 

Mdew so I am am going to sing closed vowels with "pure head voice" and the open ones with a mix (in the high range)? I have been doing that before, before I am really warmed up. One more question, the falsettoish tonal quality of the screams from guys like Rob Halford, Phil Anselmo, Eric Adams and such, does this come over time from practicing the high range alot or is there some kind of vocal effect they are using, because if I am using twang or cry in my mix, it doesn't sound right very often. I know that it is really hard work to get there, I just wasn't sure if I am doing it right, or if there is some other "register" for these really high screams. 

Thank you very much for your help :)

 

You said you can sing higher with mixed and open vowels.

 

On 1/14/2020 at 2:07 PM, OmaGesicht13 said:

I can't sing aaah or aeh in head voice. Above around d5 it just cracks at it feels really bad. I am doing pretty good with all the other vowels, the female soprano voice works well etc. its just that i feel like i can't even make my headvoice stronger because i can't open it up. I can go higher with an open vowel, but i have to use a mix

 

On 1/14/2020 at 2:07 PM, OmaGesicht13 said:

i can't even make my headvoice stronger because i can't open it up

You get stronger OVER TIME from using it. All High "Full voice" singing is "headvoice" or a mix and a balance. It may Sound like "Full" but it is a mix. 

Use the vowels that YOU CAN SING in a given Range to strengthen your voice and the other vowels. This is ALSO a MIX of Vowels or Resonance space.

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10 hours ago, Felipe Carvalho said:

There is more than one way to sing stuff on the high area and the 3 singers you listed as reference are effectively doing 3 different things when it comes to the core coordination, what is similar is that they often used some sort of distortion on the higher notes.

That is probably where you should look. Trying to make head voice sound like a scream on its own is not realistic, you will probably need a stronger approach AND distortion to get to what you want.

I hope it helps. Rock/Agressive vocals is what I do and teach, let me know if I can help further.

Yeah, I am just confused because of Ken tamplin. He says Ian Gillan and Rob Halford are using just head voice (which is a falsetto with a bright ping and good chord closure for him) even on pretty low notes. But his whole approach for head voice doesn't work for me on open vowels. If I sing painkiller in a mix it sounds totally different than what Rob is doing and the same goes for shattered by Pantera for example, Phil sounds pretty weird on this song to be honest, but how do they do that, that specific part of there voice. Rob uses that voice in devils child and the sentinel for example. It almost sounds like a scream some gospel singers do. 

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 in this video jens explains a couple things and i have have the primal sounds down, be it the crazy ape, the evil laugh or a kid. But i am not able to go to the next step with it and sing in that register, i am either overthinking everything as always, or i am missing something.

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27 minutes ago, OmaGesicht13 said:

 in this video jens explains a couple things and i have have the primal sounds down, be it the crazy ape, the evil laugh or a kid. But i am not able to go to the next step with it and sing in that register, i am either overthinking everything as always, or i am missing something.

 

27 minutes ago, OmaGesicht13 said:

i am missing something

"Over Time You Will Build"  If you "try to sound like" anyone you will create other tensions or focus on wrong areas. "these exercises are not finished sounds". This is what you are missing.

Jens will tell you himself that he went through many teachers and "Wasted" a lot of money and time before he started making progress, so will Ken Tamplin and almost every other teacher out there. But, during that time they were still practicing, training and singing....AND building muscle coordination....paying attention and replacing things that did not work with things that did work. The "Tips" that you get is what they believe worked "Faster" not works immediately. It takes time and effort and attention.

When you are singing the Hootey OO in falsetto notice how it feels. When "singing" the "Meow"'' as jens demonstrated Notice how that feels. Notice what are different between the two and notice the similarities.

On 1/14/2020 at 2:07 PM, OmaGesicht13 said:

I can't sing aaah or aeh in head voice. 

AAh and Aeh are right in the middle of OO and EE. The position that the vocal folds and tongue take are the hardest to maintain in any ''"Passage" area where the sound or resonance splits between '"OO and EE""   You can sing "Hootey OO" or "MEOW"" without too much trouble.

The AAh and Aeh have to go towards one side or the other. A combination of OO and AAh or a Combination of EE and Aeh.

On 1/14/2020 at 2:07 PM, OmaGesicht13 said:

I really want to learn to sing better in head voice, guys like Chris Cornell, Rob Halford, Ian Gillan

Singing LIKE Chris Cornel, Rob Halford, Ian Gillian is different from Sounding like them. You may sing like them and end up Sounding like Geddy Lee or Brian Johnson or Meatloaf or John Denver.....It does not matter. What matters is getting whatever sound you have to work better for you.

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Hey guys I am sorry to reply after all this time, I have 2 videos one hells bells cover and one scream. Is this mixed voice? Because I always thought it is. Am I using the techniques we were talking about and it's just my voice that sounds so different, or is this something different?

Thanks in advance guys :).

 

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Very cool man the power is there, and it sounds like you can get comfortable with it. Have you worked a lot on it already? Keep singing with this idea and try to consolidate it, at least on AC/DC you are pretty much set with this (actually a lot of things will go well with it).

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Hey thanks for the reply, yes I worked a lot on it I think about 2 years, but I tried more pure head voice stuff lately so I didn't sing In this voice that much. What is the difference from this to a more rob halford approach? I always felt like it is something different and what i do it isn't pure Head voice. I want to learn both to be more versatile.

 

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