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  2. Troll - 01

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    why do they all post a youtube video and not just an audio clip, ow well I will have my telephone line connected next week so will have unlimited data allowance, and a fresh IP address too (more fun foolling LOL) I would not try singing and playing the guitar together if your learning them as you have 2 things two think about at once, unless you singing scale and using the guitar strings to match the notes that is There is a good book in the libuary called guitar for dummies (think they do one for singing as well). but they did not teach or give any reference to music theory Regarding using the internet to learn and so many differnet approaches, there has been many members on this site condem youtube for being utter rubbish! teacher claiming to be teachers that have had no formal training them self, watch how you go on this one and find a repatable source
  3. Dr Drey, ow hes a doctor now then, I bet he would like to think he was but the term an expert in all fields and a master at F all springs to mind All right then we will talk about learning and teaching then. Now a while ago Dr doodar made a promosion video and posted it on hear. his video was about saving your voice by placing the resonance to the back of the mouth, I soon collared him on that one and told him that different songs and voices require different sound colors and some songs require a front of mouth resonance for a brighter tone and if he wants to teach his students how to save there voices then he should focus on the very bases of breath support and allinment (he did not like that one!). So after I found another one of his promotion videos with him singing into a microphone on stage bent over backwards. I said great singing tequneeks Dr ducky no wonder your students are loosing there voices, and he the roof! (do you remember that one MD I mean wise old man, that was very funny)
  4. There are a lot of teachers out there who use the idea of "Twang" to train cord closure and managing the "Passaggio". Until now the idea of twang was described as a movement of the epiglottis. From the video we have found that it is not the movement of the epiglottis that is responsible for the sound. The vowel AH moves the epiglottis in the manor previously described as the source of the sound but the Ah vowel by itself does not have the sound. I bring this up because there are some teachers who insist that they are not using twang but they promote a "Bright AH" vowel to train the passaggio. The "Bright AH" is made by the same movement of the tongue root in the video. The ideas used to "Find" the twang are "Witches cackle", a "Bratty voice" or a "Whiney" voice or "Cry like a baby". I believe that these sounds involve the two distinct positions in the video. Some use the tongue root and some use the narrowed pharynx that cuts off the piriform sinuses and some are a combination of both. We still do not know what else within the larynx is being effected by these positions(TA, CT, arytenoids, etc.) but we have no conscious control over them anyway. Those who have trained their voice to "Mix", "Cover" or "Turn" through the Passaggio have found a coordination that works for them. When passaggio is reached the trained singer rearranges the vocal tract or adds the needed breath pressure automatically. In other words the trained singer reacts in the way he was trained. One of the reasons that someone like Michael Trindle can believe that he is NOT using any modification or other movement while demonstrating his technique and the sound is to some obviously Modified or darkened, He automatically darkens the voice when reaching the passaggio. It feels to him like he is doing nothing because it is now a natural response to him. Having an idea that a movement of the "Tongue root" can produce this "Twang" or "Squillo" or one of these sounds which aids in the "Passaggio" gives another way to approach the "Passaggio" and train it. The tongue is a muscle that you can consciously control and does not rely on other muscles. It does not need breath pressure to coordinate or a "sound" that you need to achieve to move it. Along with this, the Constrictor muscles of the larynx are also muscles you can consciously control without interference from other muscles. People were trying to train the Passaggio by Achieving a certain sound that DOES involve other muscles that effect the sound in ways that are undesirable in a finished voice and not knowing which action was causing the results. Another way that they were trying to get the same effect was by "Breath Pressure" and the Bernoulli effect, Having the vocal passage "Narrow" on its own in response to "Appoggio" or support from the Breath and a "Relaxed" throat. Still, achieving this was brought about by an expected sound and an unconscious movement. Not a conscious reconfiguration of the vocal tract. Whatever else is happening with the Tongue root that "HELPS" achieve singing in this "passaggio" area I do not know. But from Experiments (From a guy who has been having trouble with a decent sound in the passaggio) I can tell you that this Tongue root action does help and it is controllable by a conscious movement. If you have read through all of that.... Try the tongue root idea with a Soft but full tone from D4 to A4 . and see if the mix comes in with a full sound without having to get louder or having to cover or over darken the tone. I still have not had time to fully test this, but I have tried a few songs that I was having trouble with and when I started to hit a wall I added more tongue root and was able to stabilize the note and reach a mix. The tongue root seems to be independent from the "Narrowing" of the pharynx and the position of the Larynx. Although it does seem that a lower larynx makes the tongue root a little easier to control.
  5. cj00

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    Thanks for your input. I'm trying to treat learning to sing the same as learning guitar. With guitar I followed a book which gave me a structured organized approach to learn. With singing I am only using the internet, which gives me 1000 different methods to follow. Is there any learning techniques you would suggest?
  6. what gives you the impression its called mimicking, remember what you said now, theres more to singing then pitch have you used the program?
  7. MDEW

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    Just knowing you need to improve is starting on the right track. You do have a good idea of pitch. Your pitch wavers when you add force. You are not supposed to fight your voice and force it but work with it. Relax into it and let it flow. Breathe now and then.....
  8. That includes everyone. Your own comment proves this. If you want a better forum. Stop the stupid slander and trollish comments that have no place here. If Dr Drey wants to leave because you do not agree and you have something to say that people can understand and judge for themselves without the dumb name calling, Then it is his problem not yours. The same with crap that went on at the other web site. Leave it there and make this a better place. If it is OK for you to throw around stupid names and call people out for things that you do not like then I guess it is open season on Troll-01 or Elvis is dead or 2cats or whoever else you want to be. The name calling is childish and that is why you get put in a corner by getting banned and IP addresses getting blocked. If you want to learn something, start listening and paying attention. If you want to teach something, Stop the name calling and give us some facts or pointers of your own.
  9. And melodine changes the pitch to mimic a voice. Melodine still sucks.
  10. cj00

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    I'm interested in taking my singing from guy who sings in the car with the windows rolled up to windows down and singing proud. Any feedback would be great if you've got a sec. There's so much information out there but I'm just looking for a push in the right direction in terms of improving my singing. Take a look, tell me what you think. Thanks. https://youtu.be/adRM-pY0WRQ
  11. and dose this include the big chiefs best bum chum chaddy, draly greyly who has now snooted up stick, because if anyone questioned his teaching they where deemed an argumentative trouble maker
  12. and in music sound videos sound is taken out and replaced with a proper recording, remember what you see on tv is a 2 dimesanol holowgraphic elusion that only exists in the form of red and green light. people love be fooled frauded and mislead, otherwise they would not watch things like the 6 oclock news right
  13. your wrong because cosmic dolphin uses melodine
  14. I watched the video. Basically you have one Opera guy trying to make himself look better by dissing another Opera guy. How about ALL of you teachers try this. Teach what you teach and let it float or drown on its own merits without dissing each other. Everyone seems to be trying to say that their method is true Bel Canto or the true Italian method or the true yada yada..... No one today knows how it was taught back when Castratti were great and Bel Canto was flourishing. Why? All of those teachers are dead and their students added and subtracted to what their teachers taught. What does that mean? It means that the teaching has changed and it will never be the same as it was. NOT only that but you cannot even say that singing from that time or place was any better than anyone else. Why is that? Because tastes in music are different. What sounds great in opera sucks in country music. What sounds great in Rock sucks in Opera. Michael Bolton Sucked as a Rock singer, He went straight to the top when he changed to Pop. His singing did not change, Just the type of music he was singing. I am just getting kind of tired of people using their dissatisfaction with someone else as a way to gain viewers. If you can teach, then teach. There is more than one way to skin a cat and there is more than one way to teach singing. What works for one may not work for another. Are there bad videos out there? Yes. And some people will post a Bad idea and promote it as a great idea to see how many people will by into it without thinking. I have seen such a video on Support and it was meant as a joke and no one got it......Who is the idiot? The one who made an obvious joke or those who fell for it?
  15. I’m not going to say what the trick is if you guys are gonna make comments after only reading the title.
  16. Some words have flattering connotations, or pejorative connotations. (I actually tend not to like "big" voices at the point distortion inevitably creeps in, whether it is classical or contemporary style. Big? Who cares what flattering term they give it?) Classical singing comes from a tradition that predates the microphone. What is now the microphone diaphragm was then the auditorium walls and roof. So, the entire technique was geared towards something fundamentally different from that of modern genres, and to which you can attribute the word "big". Contrasting that with modern genres can be taking things out of context. "Big" and "small" are, however, handy words with which to bash your nearest rival. Other words and phrases like "bright", "ring", "singer's format" and buzz are other commonly misappropriated terms. They often flatter rather than describe. For example, on another recent thread there was a demonstration of ring, twang and buzz, but all I could hear was shouting in each demo. I call it "misappropriation", because the word "ring", for example, already has connotations -- "bell-like quality". For me, the quality is a "liveness" in the sound. Here is a mind experiment: Imagine a ringing sound, like a bell. Then imagine it cutting out abruptly. Can you stop yourself from "hearing" the sound "die out" instead of stopping immediately? I would say that, for most people, imagining a ringing sound stopping abruptly is difficult. There is something about the sound that indicates continuation -- a kind of "liveness". Ringing vocals have that "liveness", in my opinion. If the vocals lack that liveness, it's not ringing. The same thing can be said of twang, but to a lesser degree. When you hold a steel ruler over the edge of a table and make it vibrate -- that oooyyyinggg sound -- that has the twang quality for me, and it also has "liveness", perhaps at lower frequencies - it is not easy to imaging it stopping abruptly. Buzz, on the other hand, does not carry "liveness" in that sense. I can easily imaging a buzzer cutting out in an instant. The reason for this is more than just where the sound projects in the frequency spectrum. It has to do with the sound quality and the relationship between harmonics. The various sounds may all project into the same frequency range, and you can label it "singer's formant", indicating that anything else is not singing , or that you are a singer if you can do it, but a lot of it is about playing with words, and gamesmanship.
  17. Any ad uses advertising tricks. That is what the business is about. Convincing people that your product is better because_________(fill in the blank). The food industry takes pictures of Mashed potatoes on an icecream cone to sell icecream because the mashed potatoes looks better and will not melt under the lights while filming. They take pictures of food that has been sprayed with a clear paint because it makes the food look fresher. You advertise by making your product look better or by making similar products look bad. Take any 2 singers of the same caliber and one will sound "Bigger" or more powerful than the other. Voices are different from each other. You still have people arguing over who sounds better or has better technique between Placido Domingo and Pavarotti. Whether you like a big voice or a thin piercing voice is a matter of taste anyway. I prefer a Steve Tyler or a Steve Perry over any male Opera voice. Back in the day.... they preferred the sound of a Castrotti over a Baritone ....Talk about a thin sounding male opera voice......
  18. You are chasing your tail.You want to be a singer and wonder why even when you get the melody right people still do not like your singing. I am trying to tell you why. Others have too and you will not listen. You are the muppet. The melody is important but the reason for the song is in the words and music and the feelings they project or the emotions they produce. Yes there are symbols in a score of music that give you a basic guide for how loud or soft to play the instrument or to sing, but again, they are a BASIC guide. The nuances that make it music come from the singer and the musician. Let a computer generated program play the score exactly as written and it will sound like shit.
  19. It's not necessarily easy to fake a BIG VOICE! FAKE BIG tends to have a particular lacking sound. A singer can generate the effects that you may associate with a big sound, but whether it works depends on the listener. It can have the opposite effect and actually emphasize the smallness of the voice. I hear this a lot with rock and metal singers -- a held back sound, with only the trappings of big. For me, it only serves to emphasize how held back the sound is, and the voice sounds tight. Big sounds are often accompanied by distortion and reverberation, but the reverse is not true -- distortion and reverberation effects do not mean the sound is big. I generally don't like distortion (so calling it "pleasing" in the video is nonsense). For me, added distortion effects on vocals usually makes the voice sound smaller because it only serves to highlight the absence of the real beef in the sound. Added distortion can work if the sound really is big, but imo usually has the opposite effect, particularly when the style is trained in. Vibrato is another effect that can go wrong when trying to use it to emphasize how big a voice is. For it to work in this way, the voice has to actually be big regardless of vibrato.
  20. more bloody you tube videos again! cant you upload just audio or something?
  21. the notes are what guides you and the dynamics too all symbolized on your score. Learn the notes first, before the words! Bring logic into this conversation and not some dream trip s@@t wonerbeedodar that has misguided the good the bad the ugly into fooling them self to this Happy fooling! if that is your road map to music
  22. Just gonna make my first post something low-key here McSilversize! Shady online opera coaches FAKE their biggest results? using this simple trick? https://youtu.be/jg99ODMypFM
  23. It is not as easy to say "This is chest voice" or to say "This is Head Voice". The voice is "Mixed". Some elements of both. And that is why Sometimes He can sing the note and sometimes not. The voice wants to be one or the other. The mix is like balancing on a tight rope between 2 configurations.
  24. I see. But, in the case of this singer, what voice is he using in this video, minute 2:22, it is chest voice, head voice, or what?
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