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Matt

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  1. I dunno if youre schooled, though...If you sit at home emulating singers for 5 years, are you schooled? I dont consider spending 8 hours a day practicing at home copying favorite singers, as G. Bonnet did, to be schooled - at least, not tutored. My guess would be that an onslaught of training came about as music became a modern, streamlined commercial product with budgets allocated by college trained economists and market plans conceived by college trained ad agency folk - e.g., when it matured into a fully fledged industry
  2. Im not sure its any more scarce than there is cause for; possibly a lot of which ever stars you're referring to dont really have much schooling and would feel dumb claiming they do in comparison to other musicians who really do? cos, not being schooled, they often sounded crappy in comparison to the perfect studio commercial product their managers wanted to sell? Also, in the case of shows like top of the pops, much, much cheaper than bringing in all the equipment and doing soundchecks and stuff for maybe one or two tunes, possibly followed by another band who would also demand soundchecks etc again, record companies creating stars - isnt this a prominent feature since the advent of boy bands etc? My father wasnt a pop star, but as a professional session musician for nearly 50 years, who had to have capacity to back up wildly different singers each week, often from sheet music he'd only had time to briefly look at, he never took a lesson in his life.
  3. yeah, I dont agree that it would be a career killer at all. Back in the Yes/ELP/king crimson et al days, it was cool as hell to be a classically trained musician that had crossed over to rock. I would also think that mainly the idea of record companies rushing their stars off to pedagogy is a very modern creation since the boy bands and american idol days. Ive even heard rock fans speak in awe of their heroes training. I can remember, offhand, rockers telling me (incorrectly) both that ian gillan and king diamond were opera singers that crossed over to rock. This, in tones that indicated great respect for their skills. Ill agree that it would be pretty embarrassing for R. Plant to admit to 30 years of training - but thats because his voice is shot to hell .
  4. Oh, I think, in elvis's case, he may have been sent off to lessons by the colonel. Did ella fitzgerald ever take a lesson? I think, especially back in the be-bop days, fantastic musicians were coming out of backgrounds where they could hardly afford a roof over their heads, let alone lessons
  5. brett manning gets a fair share of criiticsm around here. I think noone really dares criticize seth riggs because of michael jackson, even though his methods might not be very popular around here ;)
  6. I think some people can learn to sing healthily just by listening to healthy singers and emulating them as kids. A nice sounding voice is generally nice sounding because it sounds relaxed, healthy and has a ring. If thats the sound youre musical enough to pick up on when copying favorite singers, if you can hear whether its relaxed or not and want that same sound, chances are youre going to be producing it in a similar manner to them, else it wont have that sound
  7. Im sorry, I dont really like his voice. I think basically, it could be a nice voice, almost a little freddy mercury, but he makes it a little dopey and the vibrato is too fast and exaggerated
  8. I find that a good way to get the 'buzz' in the mask is to go "mmmmmmmm" with relaxed closed lips as if youre really enjoying the taste of something, "mmmmmm delicious!" You can jackknife your upper body perpendicular to the floor to assist that. Keep at it until you begin to feel the buzz in your lips/mask getting stronger and stronger. Make sure youre not tensing other stuff up in the throat while doing it
  9. Flicking through it, I didnt hear any high notes at all? what time?
  10. well, Im not going to defend or not defend Dio here. Just relating a story which, to tell the truth, I found a little peculiar even then. Dio did get visibly huffy about the comparison. I remember thinking, "uh oh, bad question"
  11. yeah, but the faster the moves, the less you have time to twist your bodyweight into it, so less mass
  12. any powerful sounding vocal effect is going to be powerful because the core of it is a strong, ringing tone - the effects are on top of that to color it, but the powerful sound is going to come from a good timbre under all the layers of effects/distortion etc
  13. as a teen, I once had the opportunity to accompany a journalist friend to an interview with dio. I asked him if he had elvis as an inspiration, because I thought I sometimes heard similarities. He was quite insulted and said no, he didnt consider elvis a particularly skilfull singer. just a fun memory...
  14. thought these 3 EEs were interesting. powerful high C. First one "cos its free" is quite a piercing 'ee', second one "and I see" is a little more 'ii' and the last one "that its me" is a little more uhh 0:24 edit: actually, on relistening, they all have some uhh in them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQzNBTukO0w&feature=related
  15. this is my new favorite video. Spreading it all over FB. Thanks!
  16. I bet ronnie didnt do any ken tamplin style diy lessons though... Serioously, listen to those songs by him at 16. He sounded the same even then
  17. ^ agreed. I think i sounds much better than eh. I suspect people often go to eh simply because its easier than i Cool vid, btw
  18. yeah, its conceivable that ronnie was humble enough to declare that picking up a few tips or lessons along the way is nothing like being a trained singer in comparison to his childhood opera/operette idols. He grew up copying mario lanza and people like that. If youve got a good ear, I would imagine you could learn to sing pretty healthily by imitating the sound of healthy singers
  19. Recently, Ive been pondering a novel take on mix, which is that the throat is wide open and the larynx hangs low in head notes. When I manage to sing a head note with loose throat, low larynx and a 'bite,' or slight grunt, from the chord closure, I get a fuller voice which doesnt physically feel like its being produced from one single place but, rather, feels like it resonates in my whole open funnel of a throat. So, a pure headnote, the way I understand it, feels like its somewhere around my nostrils, nose, eyebrows. Take the same note, let everything in the throat hang down, and it becomes a mixed voice; e.g., the sound becomes chestier. Its a take on mix I havent heard before, so Im expecting it to get ripped apart, but its how it seems to physically feel for me.
  20. I thought the guy was pretty good at conveying feeling. His voice did splat a little as soon as he ascended a little, so it didnt sound schooled to me, though. Edit: I have roughly the same opinion of leslie, too
  21. really? who says this? Thing is, in those recordings as a 16 year old, he still sounds healthy
  22. ;) from what I can hear, the high harmonies seem to be dad. as a sax and flute player, he would have had a similar background to ronnie. Hmmm, he's doing an A# in the harmonies in a quite strong passagio in the guitarists track "pick me up," around 1:20, without ever taking a singing lesson or even being particularly enthusiastic about singing
  23. damn, RJD still didnt talk about singing technigue...He's probably telling the truth, though. Some people just fall into singing easily. My dad played with a rock band called IF in the 70s and after they lost their singer, they never bothered replacing him, since all the musicians just naturally had reasonable enough voices to replace him. Heres one with the drummer singing, f.ex. He wasnt a singer at all, but when he needed to, he was quite adequate: the bassguitarist: The pianist: the guitarist: my dad:
  24. it shouldnt be audible. Imagine blowing across the lip of a bottle like a flute. The airier the sound, the worse the tone, the more waste of breath and the sooner you'll run out of air. it should work the way letting air out of a balloon works. Pinch the valve and you get a squeal (good), leave it too loose and the air rushes out sounding like flatulation blowing a raspberry(bad)
  25. Ive heard this so many times, but Ive never been able to find that interview. You wouldnt happen to have a link?
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