Estef

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  1. Estef

    Curbing

    Sorry Stew, totally missed that. I'm leaving now and will be back tomorrow afternoon. I'll try to explain CVT's point of view on this then, since I'll try to explain it the best way I can and try to record some clips if it helps. ;)
  2. Hi guys, I thought it would be very nice to start a thread where we can introduce new singers or singers that are not well known so we can all enjoy and hear new and fresh voices, and hopefully comment on their techniques, etc. This is not a really NEW band but I know not a lot of people have listened to them, and I think their singer is great. The Agonist, their singer is Alissa White-Gluz. Feel free to add any genre and comment!!!
  3. Estef

    "Mix" equivalent in CVT

    Makes complete sense Robert. MB20, my VERY PERSONAL advice is that you forget about the term passagio and start working on taking Curbing/overdrive/edge higher by focusing on the principles involved for each. With the exception of overdrive, as you well know, the other modes can be taken as high as your support allows. At first, you will find it hard to take those modes higher than where you naturally break into neutral, but if you obey the volume, the vowels and the requirements for the modes, you'll be able to take them higher. Have a goal of going a half step higher after two weeks of mastering the previous half step. You can also work on transitioning from Overdrive to curbing or overdrive to Edge (the most common choices) and there is a section on the book about it. My advice though, is that you work on the modes by themselves first and then transitions. But that's just me. The reason why I say forget about the passagio, and here I'll have to disagree with Robert again (healthy disagreement, no attack meant to you since we're all entitled to our own opinions and this is MY opinion) is that I don't believe there is a fixed passagio. That is why I agree with CVT when they say it doesn't exist (though I can't remember if they actually say that in the book, though Robert said Cathrine did say that in a masterclass. It is implied though, throughout the book that it doesn't exist). The thing is that for me, I used to have my "break" at around G4, and about two weeks after I started working on taking my curbing and overdrive higher, I suddenly moved my "break" to C5. So I truly believe what CVT says about the break being only a part in your voice where you TEND to switch to Neutral. It happened to me and once I learned to overcome that break at that point, I was able to understand that the break doesn't apply to me. I won't say it exists or it doesn't. I am not a researcher, so I won't go into that, but this is what I PERSONALLY believe and what obviously Cathrine researched on her own. I'll leave that to the pros. Now one more thing I wanted to add, again just MY POINT OF VIEW, feel free to disagree completely. I do believe this is still part of the topic of mix/passagio and Curbing. Remember that Pythagoras was ridiculed in the Greek society by saying that the Earth was round. At that time, the scientists/astrologists had a belief that the Earth was flat. If we take that and a lot of other things throughout history as the basis, much, if not most, of what we know now and accept to be facts will be disproved in years to come. Who is to say that something most everybody believes in and even has proof for can't be disproved? Even theorists now say that Einstein was wrong, while a couple of years ago every physicist believed he was right in his relativity theory. I'm not saying whether Cathrine is right or wrong, I have very little knowledge compared to Robert/Steven/Cathrine and all the great teachers here, but she could be right. So I'll keep my mind very open to new discoveries/theories and even when they are not facts, if they work for me and for countless other people, they shouldn't be ridiculed or said they have to be wrong because 1 million people say they are. Just my thoughts! Peace to all and let's hope nobody feels attacked or that I am going out of line here... Edited to fix some typos. Also adding that not longer than maybe 50 years ago the only accepted way to sing was classical. Everything else was wrong and was thought to be unhealthy. We now know that is not right. Just another example of how things that were accepted as truths for millions of people turned out to be false.
  4. Estef

    Alittle brag

    Glad to hear you had fun! Who is that teacher, by the way?
  5. Estef

    American Idol 2011

    I can try hahahaha, I love Iron Maiden, and Bruce Dickinson is one of my all-time favorite singers... Have you heard Arch Enemy's Aces High? Or After Forever's The Evil that Men Do (which I tried to cover).
  6. Estef

    Curbing

    Hi Stew, I looked at the mirror right now while singing the I and didn't see any movement or lift in my tongue. Though I have to say that the I is harder to me than the UH, and hearing the clip back, I do feel I went from a more "open" vowel to a little bit more closed on towards the end so there might have been some slight movement. There shouldn't be, though. I'd say that the later part of the clip is more accurate to the CVT I sound. I do feel it's higher up, like the sound is going between my soft and hard palate. I recorded the I again, but with only three sounds instead of the whole scale, the sound is more even like that and I didn't feel or see any movement in the tongue now. The tongue is positioned between the EH (stay) and the EE (see). http://www.box.net/shared/x42v26j41c -- I as in sit, second take
  7. Estef

    Curbing

    You're right, I'll have to go back to that part of the book ;)
  8. Estef

    Curbing

    Hey Stew, again, we seem to have posted at the same time, I recorded my take on the curbing vowels plus EE. ;)
  9. Estef

    Curbing

    Same thing for me here, it seems we are all online and I post something and see that a lot of people have posted something else... It actually happens all the time to me, people will think I'm very slow hahaha...
  10. Estef

    Curbing

    Hi again, D.Starr, you are not doing the vowels correctly for curbing. I recorded myself doing the Curbing vowels (or my take on them). I tried to make them sound as close to the CVT sound library as possible, since I don't think they would appreciate my posting a clip from the actual sound library. Stew503, I also recorded EE as in Sit (which is not a curbing vowel) so you can hear the difference as per CVT. As it's not a curbing vowel, I switch to neutral higher up. Please note that I have a very bad cold and am very very congested and have a lot of phlegm so it might not be a pleasing sound after all http://www.box.net/shared/tqncpxhfal for EE (not a curbing vowel) http://www.box.net/shared/pgga1ycgt8 for I http://www.box.net/shared/4mrj30bsgh for O http://www.box.net/shared/vjro5nk33l for UH
  11. Estef

    Curbing

    Hi stew503, there's a post on the CVT forum as to why they don't use IPA to show how the vowels should sound, and it's better if you read it than me trying to explain it Pretty much what Cathrine is trying to avoid is confusion, because some people will pronounce words differently even when they are all native speakers of the same language. And the CVT vowels have a set of reference words in different languages, but then again, they are only references since what us CVTers do is produce the vowel sounds the way they are shown in the sound library, whether your native language is English, Spanish, German, etc. So for all languages, the CVT vowels have to be pronounced the same way. Notice that the chart that is included is only a reference of words in different languages, it's really not THAT hard to understand as some people have pointed out. Pretty much it's this: In the higher part of the voice, the vowels for each mode go like this: Neutral with air: all vowels Neutral without air: EH (as in stay), AH (as in far), OO (as in you) Curbing: I (as in sit), UH (as in hungry), O (as in woman) Overdrive: EH (as in stay), OH (as in so) Edge: I (as in sit), EH (as in stay), A (as in and), OE (as in herb) I remember someone said that the chart on this post on CVT looks like a chemistry chart, but again, it's only used as a reference of how each vowel is found in different languages: http://forum.completevocalinstitute.com/viewtopic.php?t=5420 Edited to add: the explanation of why IPA isn't used in CVT isn't on this post, I'll try to find it somewhere... Edited again: OK here I found another useful post on the CVT forum about vowels and why they don't use IPA... http://forum.completevocalinstitute.com/viewtopic.php?t=5377&highlight=ipa More on vowels as taught by CVT: http://forum.completevocalinstitute.com/viewtopic.php?t=4142
  12. Estef

    Curbing

    Hi D.Starr, you are probably right that the pronunciation of the vowels might be hindering you. You have to actually make the vowels the way they sound on the audio instead of using the words. The book does say that you have to learn the vowels EXACTLY the way they sound and that the examples of how they sound are only a guide but they are not the way they actually sound. This is most true with I as in sit which doesn't really sound like I as in sit but is closer to EE as in see but not exactly like that. Kind of like in between I and EE. Forget abut the words and work on memorizing the actual vowels, even when you wouldn't pronounce them as that in regular speech. You could also post a clip of you attempting the vowels so we can tell you if you are doing them correctly. The "hold" or "cry" thing shouldn't sound too strong, more like a person complaining of a stomachache (or a child complaining). Higher up, lighten it a little because if it's too strong, it will be harder to take further up. And practice songs using vowels at first, especially higher up so that you are not hindered by the actual words. Then you can switch to the lyrics but trying to alter the vowels to I, UH or O. Always. At least until you can really master curbing and they you can try altering them VERY SLIGHTLY, but I'm not at that stage yet so I won't give you advice on that ;)
  13. Estef

    i've got something to say

    Totally agreed Bob! I totally love this place! ;)
  14. Estef

    phlegm- GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

    Thanks so much Dante!!! I pretty much forgot about doing more research on Candida when I read what the diet should be, and I obviously haven't been diagnosed by a professional, but from what little I read when you originally mentioned it a while ago, it really seems to solve the mystery I really appreciate it!!!
  15. Estef

    Open throat technique

    Oh my God that totally made my day!!! He is so freaking cute!!!! I bet he can sing for hours without getting hoarse!!! My cat is the totally opposite, whenever I get near my keyboard, she lays on top of it so I can't play it, or even worse, sing!!! She gets soooooooooooooo mad when I sing... :P