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  1. ok - I can seem to get the singer's formant boost... I think... based on Steve's interesting advice This short clip has me trying to shift to a non-honk (clip is about 20 seconds) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19046930/formant_jan_28_238pm.mp3 It seems effortless to keep it going, but I'm not convinced of the pleasantness of the tone, perhaps because the 6-8th harmonics are so low (I can't figure out how to get them up yet). I was curious how the tone sounds to other ears if you get a chance. Fundamental is about 180hz - about an F#3 Here's the spectrogram towards the end
  2. Hey Steve - I was looking more into the 8th harmonic ring you've got there (at about 1.6kz). Here's a link to where I boost that region's eq up http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19046930/stevefraser_honkee_focus_on_8th_harmonic.mp3 I think what is also interesting is the role of the 7th harmonic, which is apparently actually close to a 7th. I think I can hear it in your clip without the eq now and it gives an interesting texture to the whole thing. I had recorded someone the other day with a nice voice, and I noticed kind of the same thing - a kind of interplay between the 7th and 8th harmonics that was just interesting. In that case, he was using vibrato as well that kind of "rang" the 7th harmonic bell a little.
  3. ok - I'm going to use this thread to post some of my own walks down the path, in case it helps others down the line I was playing with this some more, and am assuming that anytime I see something like the below (it's a snapshot at the first stage, where you're making the buzz/bees go at it). I think the singer's formant boost is coming into play. I don't yet have a feel for recognizing it without seeing it on screen. btw - I noticed recently that I was hearing a strong ring when I did eh/ah just right while driving. I did a quick recording of that and it seems like the small space is giving an HUGE boost in the singer's formant region. I didn't check the math of the car dimensions to check that this should be happening, but I imagine that's what's going on.
  4. very cool - holding the nose I can seem to do it, at least based on watching a spectrogram. Right now, I seem to lose the boost in the formant region when I try to go back to a "normal" note at the same fundamental, but I'm going to play with it. thanks ronws for suggestion to monitor larynx with finger, too.
  5. awesome - looking forward to it
  6. congrats - how'd you figure out the soft palate thing? Did you feel the air hitting it or do you mean something else?
  7. ok - listening on the first one, there is a serious lift at 2.4-2.6khz, and a seems like even more energy on the 2nd one (which has a little scream or something towards the end ) so you're trying to the do the formant thing? How is this different than what you try to do for twang? aside - some an interesting noise floor going on there - that upper ramp after 10k is what my preamp (fast track ultra) looks like if I turn it up too high. wonder if it's just 60hz hum, but there's no 180hz peak. interesting spike at about 3.2kz too. and does anyone know of a good bandpass filter? I was going to try to isolate the formant region but it's a pain. Stringing together lowpass/highpass is disappointing - I want it to have brick walls on either side of a frequency range.
  8. btw - I was interested in hearing for sure what that formant region SOUNDS like, so I found some free log sweeps from http://binkster.net/extras.shtml I cut out just the singer's formant region (about 2.6-3.4kz here - not exact), and looped it a few times you can hear a loop of this sweep over the singer's formant region here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19046930/logsweep_formantregion.mp3 I'll see if I can take a look at your spectrogram and hope Steve F pipes in
  9. I'm interested, too. Ron - nothing plays when I try to play the mp3. Does it work for you?
  10. thanks for the insight! I didn't mean to imply that the 4-6th would be in the singer's formant. I was referring to them as part of wondering out loud if that was where his power was coming from relative to mine (in terms of what is captured in the spectrogram). My 4-6th harmonics are about 30-35db lower than the first 3, while his are only about 20db lower. and thanks for the info on singer's formant relative to head/chest voice. I didn't know that. So, trying to be "stronger" with the chest or apply more air shouldn't help the boost in the singer's formant region. I've been sitting here watching the spectrogram, playing with mouth positions, etc., trying to see a boost in the singer's formant region. Haven't hit on anything that seemed to really boost it yet.
  11. ok - I know this is an old thread, but I was looking for more examples of Steve's analyses and I realized I could see what happens when I try to do what this guy does at about 3:02. Maybe this will help someone else later down the line, too. here's the wav of me (felt like my voice was drying out a little) - boy, that 3rd harmonic sounds like a whistle. I didn't notice it until I eq'ed him to see what that thing sounded like, then it's like almost all I can hear, even on my voice. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19046930/bwahbwah_a_jan_21_2011_16bit.wav spectrograph of me AND of James Kelly using my settings on the spectrograph are below - 1 second averaging I was thinking it was cool I was getting *anything* in the "singer's formant" area at all, but obviously the strength of tone is not there. I wonder if it's the fact that the harmonics 4-6 are so much lower is a reflection of that - would that be due to the mixing of the "chest voice" in? Me: James Kelly
  12. thanks for the comments, folks! Yeah, I included the full mix because the single track - which is the "bare" thing I was throwing out there to get some feedback on - is rough, imo. It's amazing to me how much all those layers help to my ears. btw - Hear you on the extra bass and drums. There's an upright being played on it, but I had it back in the mix. I am intimidated by percussion, but want to start trying to use some. I also hear you on NOT using unison layers on the verses. I've heard that comment several times lately. The layers obscure character and emotion. That's where I want to go in general, but I want to also improve my voice enough not to cringe when I do that... so I'm trying to see if I can learn to make use of formants and whatever interesting else there is I can do. thanks again - and any tips on what I should be trying in order to improve my particular voice are appreciated
  13. ok - lately I've been recording stuff with many many many vocal tracks to smooth it out. Attached is one part of ONE track and I would appreciate any comments on how to improve it as to tone, etc. I am mainly interested in improving my voice to record my own stuff for demos/sketches, and as a personal challenge. one chorus (first one of song), single vocal track: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19046930/sunisyou_chorusvocal_onetrack_jan_18_2011.mp3 the full mix, which has a bunch of vocal layers: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19046930/sunisyouwithbridge_jjan_5_2011.mp3
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