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Hi, Thanks both for your replies   For this song I wouldn't do it much differently even if I could; for Muse I prefer this type of falsetto! But it sure is harder to do while nervous than "regular" non-falsetto singing. At least for me! But loosing key never happens for me so that was new and probably due to the liveness; will need to work on that! I think killer is right that I need more experience singing live; it is harder for different reasons. Breath support breaks down from time to time I took this song for being more safe since I could't reach all the high tones I wanted in the other songs I was considering.   If I ever record something at home that I'm happy with I'll post it here and then we can take the live-stuff out of the equation!   Thanks for listening!   Cheers!

Here is me singing the song Falling Down / Muse from the record Showbiz. The occasion was end-of-term concert with my singing "class" (or whatever). It was filmed from the side by another student. There was maybe 60 people in the audience. I messed up at some point (lost the key!) but I managed to keep calm and I found my way back. I'm quite proud!   https://www.dropbox.com/s/tlo9qpcoz3e4h17/anders-framtr%C3%A4dande.mp4?dl=0   There are some effects being applied (reverb? compressor? not sure!).    What do you think? What do I need to work on?

Thanks for the comments! With tone on your song, do you mean during the second half or through the entire song!? I'm guessing the latter! Would your statement about synchro licensing stand even if I don't do the music backdrops? I just sing here I'm currentlynin a process where I try to figure out if my sound is pleasing or annoying. Hard to judge oneself... Someone described my voice as having an uniqur piercing quality. Still not sure if that is a complemnt or not Thanks again for listening!

I'm curious if anyone has any comments on my tone. I'm not 100% pleased with it, somehow sounds a bit annoying. Anyone disagrees or knows why it sounds that way? I have a tendency to tense jaw/cheeks. I haven't really worked much on shaping the sound, apart from twang to make higher tones possible...

Note that I did not do "your song" here before, but i was inspired to do it because of the other version. I liked his tone better than mine! Thanks for the feedback!

Hi! I recorded two songs today. I'm no recording engineer so I just made sure that the vocals were very audible. I'm quite happy with them apart from timing where I failed a lot. Also see additional comments. Elton John - Your Song https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19750082/recordings/Anders%20-%20Elton%20John%20-%20Your%20Song.mp3 I got bored after half the song, MDEW was right... it should be higher! So it really is recoreded in two "styles". Butterflies and Hurricanes - Muse https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19750082/recordings/Anders%20-%20Muse%20-%20Butterflies%20and%20hurricanes%20%28partial%29.mp3 I failed after/during the first chorus. I will come back to this song later when my technique is more solid! And a song I recoreded some time ago: Damien Rice - Cannonball: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19750082/recordings/Anders-Cannonball.mp3 Damien Rice sings everything beautifully. I just did my best! Would love some comments and harsh critique! Perhaps don't get hung up on timing; that is something I will work on a lot if/when I come back to them...!

Do you know how high ewan mcgregor sings it? Quite a few changes in that version but still...

When i said promising i was mostly talking about your "tone". If you nail pitch/timing it will sound great. I'd start working on pitch, but that's just me!

Promising, but make sure you nail the pitch! Some timing issues as well but mostly pitch issues. Listen to the original so you know the melody perfectly! Going for the elton john (original) version, right?

ronws: I really like your low singing here. Relaxed, interesting. Vunerable somehow. The higher part lacks something!

Did you decide to do it all text?

For some reasons you always post broken youtube links, at least I've never been able to open them without changing them! This one worked better for me:

It looks as if video/audio are totally out of sync, which makes it unwatchable. Perhaps the reverb thing would have been less objectionable if it felt like it was more in sync? I'll give this one more try without video, perhaps I can then appreciate the singing!

I love that song. It was a little bit too shouty for me, sorry And maybe a little too brittish. Like you said, a lot of pitch issues as well! I would love for someone to make an analysis of how it is sung by Damien Rice as he 100% managed to never sound shouty. I absolutely love his voice.

Kudos for posting; brave! I really suggest that you get an instrumental only ("karaokeo") version of this song somehow and sing over that. That forces you to keep the key through the entire song. I also recommend transposing it down by quite a bit so that it works for you. This song is a real bitch. You can transpose in audacity without changing the speed of the song. You could play the song using speakers so that you don't have anything in your ears. That way you can hear youself the entire time. Headphones are ok as well, as long as it is instrumental only. I really hate singing to the original version; my singing ability diminishes if someone else sing the same song slightly different in my ear. I get rushed by the original timing etc. I'd stay away from that. Keep it up!

Ironically youtube says that it is a duplicate. But you already made that clear!

Really cool, thanks for the explanation! Could you elaborate a little on the amount of energy/volume you used? Do you hold anything back, or is it 100% full volume?

Sounds very good to me! Keep it up and good luck! Maybe over time you could make your inhale less audible, but this is just nitpicking (and if it sounds cool to you then keep it!).

* Do you mean that, since Randy sounds heavier here than Steve Perry in the same song, he uses medium mass? (Implying Steve Perry uses light mass) * Or because he has a heavier voice he needs to use medium mass to sound similar to Steve Perry using light mass (Steve being a tenor)? * Something else. The second statement seems weird, just double-checking so I haven't misunderstood something! I think the true answer is in what you said; Medium mass with narrow vowels.

Very nice singing! I remember some people talking about if Steve Perry uses "light mass" or "medium mass" onset/phonation. Ignoring Steve Perry, what is used here? (primarily). What kind of volume is generated while singing this? Cool!

Exactly what I should have done, but I've gotten some good tips! Good luck! I'll try it in your key next time I have a chance to record!

Interesting, it sounded like more than 5 semitones down. But it is not the same and much slower. It feels MUCH darker, especially in your version! I have almost no problem singing G#4 without any tricks, the problem starts right after G#4. I should try to it in that tuning as well (since someone wanted to hear more of my chest voice as well up there). I do care about the sound and I can hear from my own recording that anything that happens after I "break" is not what I want In your case I guess it is not an on/off thing; it is about shading of sound etc. In your new clip perhaps it is head voice but it seems kinda "pressed" if that is what it is. Or it is falsetto. Seems like there are so many words/opinions! ps. I could watch the temptations version of youtube, but not using your link. Might help other people who try! I really liked it!

Wow your version was very different from mine! Interesting, more operatic! Do you know how much it was lowered? Did you play around a little with the tones/melody as well in some parts? I usually listen to a song (the original) for many times and then that is what the melody should be like. Sometimes I get it wrong though! I really like to sing with the instruments so I've only tried it like mine and one octave down (which sounds weird when I do it at least, but it seems mostly possible). I should try to lower it by maybe 4-6 semitones when I/if decide to redo it. Sure I can find some program that keeps speed while altering pitch. Thanks, I think Would you say that I did what you said you had to do, having a more heady/falsettoish tone so I don't sound at all like Stevie? I've listened to him and he manages to have a very dark shade to his voice somehow. I noticed being off pitch, especially when I went into falsetto. I use to have an ok sense off pitch but it is harder when being up there! Thanks for the tip. I've come to the conclusion that what I need is bridging from mix into head voice. Problem is that I'm not at all strong enough in my head voice so I need to strengthen it a lot. I have a hard time do a do B4 in head voice with any power. I've tried to do the entire song in head voice and I have to push for the B4 so no wonder I have to do the same when I try to bridge. I find it hard with even falsetto above A4, although I can get up to around G5 if I push. I have a lot of work to do here before I can bridge! Once I can bridge I can try to make chest more chesty I guess, but right now I think I need to keep it light so it doesn't overpower the head voice during bridging I'm not even sure if you could call what I have head voice, might just be falsetto with no air or something. Either way I need more power!

The song is hard! Stevie makes it sound so easy! I've been giving it more love but i need to work on my voice. Baby steps! Whatever Michael there is in there is probably due to the high placement. I'm somewhere between baryton and tenor (although more on the tenor side i think), but not as light/high as MJ. He has very good technique though so hard to compare!

I don't have a problem with amplification in itself, it is just that i cant take two videos and say that someone used more volume/power in video A thanin video B, due to microphone levels, PA etc. Not even with the same singer such as you! I haven't sung much with amplification myself so i am not used to the sound. That said it does make sense to overpower inner hearing a bit so you hear what other people hear. CVT talks a lot about volume for each mode, guess that something I miss in video lessons. Love to take lessons! I'm still working om finding affordable practice space for training/lessons (in gothenburg Sweden, shout if you have one!).