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What is happening with my lower range?
Khassera replied to James Solis's topic in General Discussions
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What is 'twanging' and how do you do it?
Khassera replied to Serotonin's topic in General Discussions
I wonder if "twang" and "ring" or "ping" are generally the same thing. There's a great thread called "what is twang" by Martin. Search it. -
singing I don't know how to sing. How do I learn?
Khassera replied to Mainline's topic in General Discussions
Without basic knowledge on how to sing it's pretty difficult to get started. I recommend getting some vocal program like Pillars, KTVA or Raise Your Voice. They'll explain what sound you generally need to look for among other important things. You have the perfect environment to become a great singer. You have a musical family. Ask them to help you out, your dad to play backing music for you and yorur bro to listen to you sing. This way you'll get two things done: 1) you'll practice with a live instrument and acoustics 2) you'll get over performing anxiety in the very start of your singing journey If you wanna get started immediately, like right now, then this forum and youtube vids on vocal technique are your best bet. The most important thing to learn though, is listening to the tone of the demonstration and listening to your own. If it's differenr, you're not doing the same thing. A good example would be me in the beginning. A vid would call for a bright tone, I'd sing it back with a dark, muffled tone that I just took to be my way of singing. I just wasn't doing the technique right, but I didn't record myself singing so I didn't learn to listen to the tone. So fast-track: get a program, start today (even if you don't get a program start today, hum along to songs or somethig, try to match the tone of the singer with no tension), ask your fam for support. -
What a nice discussion about Myles Kennedy we're having.
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Maybe it's just that Tamplin (bel canto) does it so noticeably that it stuck out. I know why it's done, it just looks like they're overdoing it (obviously they aren't, it just looked to me that way since I tend to cobstrict if I do it as much).
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BlahBlah: I thought as much when I started it, since the main exercises feel more like the stuff Cunodante wrote about sometime ago, about maximizing resonance with minimal effort. There's still a lot of stuff that caused me, for one, to misunderstand how the physical sensations should feel. But like I said earlier, Myles has that same weird tongue thing going on the sweet child vid.
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singing quietly, neck tension, volume
Khassera replied to Billy Budapest's topic in General Discussions
Killer, your #1 is what I referred to. I sang "civil war" a couple of times through on my 6h car ride and by the end I could sing the song pretty good with my full voice. It sort of smooths out the passaggio really good, and keeps the "singing in the pocket" sensation up. -
Yeah, Myles sounds like the opposite to Ken Tamplin, and I was just pointint out that if you put the male demo of the balanced mix exercises (and song, obviously, since there's the whole "applying exercises to songs" part in MM which people seem to miss) the two sound pretty much the same. If you put Tamplin's anything as the comparison then the two sound exactly the opposite, the other sounding strained while the other sounding effortless. And it's more about stylistic choice than anything else, like Blah said, the same teacher has taught singers that sound totally different. That's awesome! It's awesome to see that there's no cookie cutting. It's all about what resonates with you, whatever makes the most sense, no matter how it's said or taught (like Myles saying "it's all about how I hold my palate and how I breathe"). Also, MM is awesome. So is Pillars. And KTVA. And VA and RYV and SFTS. I'm not into bashing anything since everything has something to learn from and they all aim for pretty much the same end product. Myles' GNR stuff is great, I like his tone better than Axl's, he sounds more effortless.
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Weird. He sounds like an SLS singer to me rather than anything I'd imagine Belcanto taught singers singing rock would sound like. He's got that vocal fry going all the time, the way he's capping the mass of the phrases reminds me of SS/MM. It's actually almost exactly like the end result tone in MM.
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singing quietly, neck tension, volume
Khassera replied to Billy Budapest's topic in General Discussions
- Imitate Axl Rose - sing as quietly as possible - repeat until fluent - add mass to profit Also, make a VAM, you might not know just how "loud" you actually are when you sing quiet. -
It just keeps going and going.
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I just stand like a stick stuck in shit, as we in the finnish heavy metal culture so aptly put it. But I keep a dreamy look on my face to fool the men and seduce the ladies, so s'all good.
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Felipe Carvalho - Aces High
Khassera replied to Felipe Carvalho's topic in REVIEW YOUR SINGING - SHARE YOUR SINGING
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Jesus jetpacking christ, his tone is so perfect it's depressing. After 10 minutes of hammering at "tell me what it feels to live a lie" I nailed the tone, but it's really friggin hard to keep up. It's totally different from how I'm used to singing. As a side note: I've realized that I've made a great error in how to learn songs, and maybe some newbies do the same. I used to practice songs by just singing them through over and over and making adjustments here and there. The best and most efficient for me at least is the way Phil suggested, the way I never really got around to practicing because it felt too tedious. Every time I go back to it I ask myself "why the fq didn't I do this before?" And that way is learning the song one. Phrase. At. A. Time. Recording and retrying until it's perfect, even if it means you're stuck in the friggin first phrase of the first verse for half a day. The reason I write this is because I didn't take the hint from Phil. I just said "alright I guess I'll try" and I did for a while, but the process always had the same workflow: - I play back a difficult phrase - I try to mimic it, usually fail, repeat it a couple of times til... - i say alright f it, I'll sing it like I always do since "I can't sing like he does since it's his tone etc etc etc...." and other collected excuses... And I'd never develop an ear-voice coordination to be able to produce the same tone with my instrument. It's very unlikely that you CAN'T do the same tone, it's just a matter of getting it EXACTLY right with YOUR voice. It takes time, but once you nail it once you'll nail it always, so the return of investment is huge. I urge people to try it.
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Who does he take lessons with? It's curious that he has that belcanto tongue going in the sweet child vid.
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Just an insert: for some reason when I try to sing along to some songs, some, not all, I find it really difficult to match the pitch and I always end up sounding if I'm singing higher than the original singer. This is in songs with rasp, distortion etc. In songs like Take hold of the flame, dreams, separate ways, I find it easier to match the pitch even if it's high. A good example of what I mean is the song Satellite by Rise Against. I ave to sing it in an adducted, twangy headvoice that sounds more like 80s hair metal than punk rock, and it sounds as if I'm singing higher than Tim is on the studio version. ... And this was the first version I heard so it didn't really help.
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Yeah. You know how the saying goes, those who live take risks, those who take risks sometimes get hurt, those who never take risks.... Sometimes get hurt.
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Yeah, I totally get that the pressure changes if the phrase changes... But maybe mine's a moot point. If that. I guess I think that if you onset with vocal fry into a solid note and dp a siren while keeping everything proportionally the same in terms of tonenquality and volume (i guess this might be the act of actually changing a lot of things to do the trick of keeping everything same) then you'd end up going from a vocal fry to chest to head to fry again. Or this is what happens with me. I miss the whistle notes since I haven't practiced it at all.
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Probably because Chad is a professional singer and probably the wear on the cords has caused it. Why did Ogar break his back during the Crossfit Games? Fatigue, a misjudgement and bad luck. That's how injuries generally occur.
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To me, saying the subglottal pressure changes is like saying "the pitch will change." If the air pressure from the lungs stays the same but the gap between the folds narrows then the pressure, along with the pitch, will change. Oh, and the air in front of your mouth will also change to warmer. What else that in no way answers what I'm trying to get at can we think of? Or maybe I just need to study more, I clearly have no idea how to carry the knowledge of the subglottal pressure change into my practice. I'm saying if you keep the sound/tone quality the same, nothing conscious has to change. At least not dramatically. I thought that was the whole point of lip bubbles. To give you a cue, an easy sound to follow and focus on keeping a steady airflow even though the folds adduct.
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Like I said: besides the folds, what should change? I didn't think I'd have to repeat myself.
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If you keep the tonality the same, what's different singing high than singing low?
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Its quite some difference Khassera. The two registers theory was about working out a transition as if it was a result of intrinsic muscular action, in special, the tensors. So you would go from your chest voice and go towards falsetto. This would lead to improving such transition and a gradual blending of quality. However, given what is known now, its much more efficient to address the specific coordinations that will lead to the desired result, the ones I mentioned above. The previous approach would only render results if by luck you produced the adjustments that are necessary. If you work on the adjustments, the training is more efficient and reliable. Instead of working thinking of pitch and muscle coordination, adjust the vowels and the tonal quality accordingly, going towards what you know that will produce what you need (upper pharynx expansion, elevation of the tongue, ap narrowing, etc). awesome answer broham. Especially the last two sentences.
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That made me laugh, not sure why but it did... Agreed. Precisely my point with the video I'd still love to know the practical use of knowing if mixed voice is a "thick headvoice" (whateverdafuq that is) or a blend of registers. It would probably have little to no impact on how exercises are performed, and, ultimately, on the final product.
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It's probably a high note that's brighter and louder than some peoples' "chest" notes.