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  1. I agree with MDEW. classical singing is way more standardized than contemporary music. Voice classifications are more important. Recordings are expected to be more faithful than "engineered". Contemporary music is unabashedly corrected post-recording, using industry standard software like Melodyne, for example, to fix pitch. If this goes on in classical singing (and it probably does) they keep very quiet about it. With classical singing, you can't just put eye candy on stage and let the electronics do the rest.
  2. Sounds promising. My recommendation would be to train in, and give yourself, more placement options. That will add dynamic and also make thing easier in the long run. (Detail:I don't know if it is the accent or whatever, but I can only understand a third of what you are singing. Depending on who your intended audience is, you may want to use more neutral vowels.)
  3. But that's our mortal "reality" -- information mixed in with salesmanship, parody, pretence, illusion... What kind of galactic mission are you on trying to clean that lot up? The answer is to educate yourself to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff. It surely is not to eradicate chaff. My personalized YouTube landing page is full of click bait. The algorithm that is supposed to find what I like is drowning hopelessly in gimmickry. All the superficial stuff that people click on has floated to the top like turds in a cesspit, and that is basically what the algorithm recommends first. It wasn't like that 5 or so years ago. Even people who have decent ideas are using gimmickry now -- useless and irritating background music in their videos, irritating and useless changes of camera angle, crazy unnatural arm-waving and body language while "presenting" etc. Ironically, all these things intending to keep people interested in an age where people's average attention span is a few seconds, have the effect of making the videos superficial and boring for me. You just have to learn to filter all that stuff out, and switch off the BS vids. It's getting increasingly more difficult. There have been times when I have been on the point of switching off such videos just as the video finally gets to making a substantial point. The video may turn out to be by someone who mistakenly believed that it needed all the BS to make it "interesting". If he had told people to do press-ups on two chairs while "yelling and holding their breath", some people would have tried it. A third of them would eventually have woken up to the stupidity and learned from it. Another third would eventually only have gotten angry at being taken for a ride, blamed the video, and then made the same mistake again with something else. The remaining third would have stuck with it -- "feeling like a Jedi". Life is a learning curve, It is more competent at doing what it does than all our interference.
  4. There may be some youngsters who cannot put things into context, but we must be talking very young. Most people would simply replace "TO" by "I". How TO... ----------> HOW I... or even HOW I BELIEVE I.... I find the videos interesting, and not a problem, at all. In fact, they can be very useful in terms of how understanding evolves. If there are people who are too impressionable to put things into context, then that is whole different issue -- a parental guidance issue.
  5. What is the issue, here? Someone has a singing course, and some of his students come out feeling like "Jedi"? So, what? Then what? Do they put on their resume, "I feel like a Jedi", and get hired for roles instead of you? Are theatres looking for performers who "feel like Jedi"? "Jedi's only need apply"? What's the problem? They feel like a Jedi. The teacher helped them to feel like a Jedi. They've got what they want. Job done. Everybody should be happy.
  6. Some words have flattering connotations, or pejorative connotations. (I actually tend not to like "big" voices at the point distortion inevitably creeps in, whether it is classical or contemporary style. Big? Who cares what flattering term they give it?) Classical singing comes from a tradition that predates the microphone. What is now the microphone diaphragm was then the auditorium walls and roof. So, the entire technique was geared towards something fundamentally different from that of modern genres, and to which you can attribute the word "big". Contrasting that with modern genres can be taking things out of context. "Big" and "small" are, however, handy words with which to bash your nearest rival. Other words and phrases like "bright", "ring", "singer's format" and buzz are other commonly misappropriated terms. They often flatter rather than describe. For example, on another recent thread there was a demonstration of ring, twang and buzz, but all I could hear was shouting in each demo. I call it "misappropriation", because the word "ring", for example, already has connotations -- "bell-like quality". For me, the quality is a "liveness" in the sound. Here is a mind experiment: Imagine a ringing sound, like a bell. Then imagine it cutting out abruptly. Can you stop yourself from "hearing" the sound "die out" instead of stopping immediately? I would say that, for most people, imagining a ringing sound stopping abruptly is difficult. There is something about the sound that indicates continuation -- a kind of "liveness". Ringing vocals have that "liveness", in my opinion. If the vocals lack that liveness, it's not ringing. The same thing can be said of twang, but to a lesser degree. When you hold a steel ruler over the edge of a table and make it vibrate -- that oooyyyinggg sound -- that has the twang quality for me, and it also has "liveness", perhaps at lower frequencies - it is not easy to imaging it stopping abruptly. Buzz, on the other hand, does not carry "liveness" in that sense. I can easily imaging a buzzer cutting out in an instant. The reason for this is more than just where the sound projects in the frequency spectrum. It has to do with the sound quality and the relationship between harmonics. The various sounds may all project into the same frequency range, and you can label it "singer's formant", indicating that anything else is not singing , or that you are a singer if you can do it, but a lot of it is about playing with words, and gamesmanship.
  7. It's not necessarily easy to fake a BIG VOICE! FAKE BIG tends to have a particular lacking sound. A singer can generate the effects that you may associate with a big sound, but whether it works depends on the listener. It can have the opposite effect and actually emphasize the smallness of the voice. I hear this a lot with rock and metal singers -- a held back sound, with only the trappings of big. For me, it only serves to emphasize how held back the sound is, and the voice sounds tight. Big sounds are often accompanied by distortion and reverberation, but the reverse is not true -- distortion and reverberation effects do not mean the sound is big. I generally don't like distortion (so calling it "pleasing" in the video is nonsense). For me, added distortion effects on vocals usually makes the voice sound smaller because it only serves to highlight the absence of the real beef in the sound. Added distortion can work if the sound really is big, but imo usually has the opposite effect, particularly when the style is trained in. Vibrato is another effect that can go wrong when trying to use it to emphasize how big a voice is. For it to work in this way, the voice has to actually be big regardless of vibrato.
  8. MDEW This is the kind of stuff I keep coming across. It's not a one off. There's demand out there. This came from reddit. These are people who want more discussion of method and methodology than what is on reddit.. twitch9873 2 months ago Is there any snapchat groups of singers / vocalists? I would love to have a group like that to toss out little snippets of new methods or songs I'm practicing and have input and discussion from other people interested in vocals. If not, and a few people are interested, I'd love to make one. VoiceMath 2 months ago I'm interested!! DM me for me snapchat Continue this thread OnlyBlueSkySeeker 1 month ago I’d be interested as well. level 2 Aidan_Meek 1 month ago down GhxstB_y 1 month ago for sure interested! electricthunder95 23 days ago Sounds really cool skelethroaway 17 days ago Interested too!!
  9. I wouldn't say that I lack empathy through lack of intuition. I still have my intuition. True. (I often use that word cadence incorrectly -- I usually want to say not just the inflection, but the entire thing that makes a voice human, and expressive, rather than robotic.) Yes, and being able to relate first hand with the words of the song helps. But it may be a chicken and egg thing. Not relating causes lack of empathy, and lack of empathy leads to inability or unwillingness to relate. I'm not as nasty as I sound, though. I can really empathize with people who are giving things a go in a positive way (positive imo, of course). Then there are those songs that blow my logic apart. For example, Manic Monday, has so many elements that would normally put me off, yet I think it's a very good song. That whiny teenage girl vibe would normally put me right off. That trite existence -- "wish it was Sunday, My I don't have to run day" -- trite dreams, and succumbing to all those banal teenage priorities, and making excuses for it all... why isn't that my worse song of all time? I don't know. I think it's great, and nails the vide.
  10. I can't be sure, cos I'm not really into the song, but I can see something a bit more appealing in the last rendition. Otis Reading and Rod Stewart both appear to be singing very much from the perspective of the man "on the dock of the bay". The third rendition seems to me to have more of an outside narrative feel to it -- of somebody looking in on himself and his condition from the outside, which is more my kind of vibe. He sounds more as if his focus is on describing the cloying grip of apathy, than on his "plight", or "victimhood". Now, any song about apathy, being caught up in apathy, coming to terms with apathy, etc. is not going to work well for me. I am not a very empathetic person, LOL. (I was briefly known as the cyborg on one forum I use, LOL). My reaction is more likely to be "pull yourself together, man!", than to feel any empathy. But a singer who can turn it round and sing it from the outside, could have my attention. But that may result in a production that sounds emotionless to someone else.
  11. ^^ I half get what you are saying MDEW. From my point of view, while I can "appreciate" what the singers are doing, I am not feeling the song, full stop. All three renditions leave me indifferent. It's strange, because I can still sense to some extent whether I think that the singer has done a good a bad job of the song (and I mean in terms of emotional content). But not all emotions touch everybody equally. Some emotions may even seem invisible to some people.
  12. Of course you can. Technique + practice + patience will get you there. It's probably a matter of learning not to "pull chest voice" and to let go of "mass" as you ascend. It's a common problem. How far has your range expanded since you started taking lessons? Over time, an octave on top of your starting range is quite plausible. (You are Italian? But from the way you write, I am guessing that you have at least one English born relative or have lived in an English speaking country for a while. Just curious).
  13. I think you may have to get more specific about what you mean. For example, learning how to breath correctly (not running out of breath, etc.) could be considered a broad fundamental -- i.e it will apply to all types of singing. But, it will involve "technique" whether it is made explicit or not. Almost everything would. Ear training -- Learning how to listen, and what to listen for, may be one major area that does not involve technique. It is more a matter of picking up experience.
  14. You mean a course that focuses on covering all the broad fundamentals? What would you say the broad fundamentals are? You only say what you think they are not.