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Ha ha I actually laughed out loud.... I have never spoke to you before, but I can say you have won lmao I dont like ron much though. I am 6'4 218...and I dont like people taller than me, I am used to being the highest bar in the graph ha ha ha. If I ever take the hour trip up to Sherman to see ron, gonna have to wear my goth boots to get a couple inches lol.

Sucks cant hear much if it...your voice is very quiet. Though that little burst at the end...I wanna hear more of that lol

I don't lmao!!!! Have you seen the avatar of mr. Miami up there ha ha ha... Anyways, bono like you I was poorly diagnosed one fach up from a bass originally. That set me back for some time. Fortunally, I refused to believe and got the range I have now. However, that did come at a price of still having some bad habits. Range isnt an issue, but weird pronunciation at times is. Also weird coverings right before I hit pure head voice. Been working on those for some time slowly correcting and improving. Now this is the month I am going to finish the fix, and make that big jump. Have that bastard narrrowed down to g#4-b#4 lol, just gotta finish the killing. I am going to do that with a big gutsy change. That was my point I was arriving to. Dont be affraid to attempt big changes and stick to them. Listen real carefully what issues are in your voice and what you want to change. Be very real with yourself. It sounds like you might have picked up some bad habits as I did, trying to be what you think you could only be. One thing I learned and am still learning is. You have way more control over your voice than you think. Or at least I thought lol

Dude you are a trip killer...the beginning part had me laughing, thought I was in a sci fi movie lol. In seriousness though, i def understand what you are saying and demonstrating . You were basically adding over amount of twang, then going to absolutely nothing. I am actually in a conversation about this exact subject in the technical section. I def use the heavy twang up top, I have an angry cat impersonation on there to prove it ha ha. However, bringing that lower for me isnt comfortable or sound super great. So I use a bit of a cover, and a bit extra compression. I think its the way my vocal track is designed that causes this. Also too much time in the opera world. To me it sounds bono uses the same style In a sense. However, I will say, i would love to build the ability to either bring more modal up, or bring more even head down. So far I am convinced that it is biology and how my vocal mechanism and acoustic area work together. However, I have no problem to admit when wrong if someone proves it. Though, time, study, and trial and error speak to my conclusion. However,this is one time I would enjoy to have to eat crow.

I think you sounded great bono...I agree with strength, I like it better than the original. I also agree maybe some parts you could open the vowel "just a hair" if you really wanted to knit pick. This is the first song I have heard of yours, I was un aware you were on that level...once again you sounded great. I want to also make a comment to killer's post. The way bono is assending upwards on that partially closed sound. I think that gives some people trouble and others not, some people sound great doing this others not so much. It has some to do with training, opera for example will help build up closed vowels. However, I really think it has alot to do with design of the neck and resonating area, back pressure build up and all the other accoustic properties. Some people can rip in a way on a more closed vowel, where another will get choked off or experience discomfort. I only say this as I myself can handle closed notes like that pretty easily with little issue(almost covered in a way). He sounded comfortable like me in that aspect. If I open a vowel, usually it will be for a tone choice, not out of necessity. This would be a strong suit for me, and from my guess bono, because he sounded like it had no effect on him. However, there is a double edged sword to this. In your sample (killer) you twanged early and had a early pharyngeal tone, which I have a hard time to really dial that in before c5. I would like to bring that in earlier many times especially in live settings for increased stamina. However, this still isnt an option to me yet, as i still havent got the right sound with yet. And it may never be an option who knows. I really believe these differences are a product of the individual accoustic areas of each person. You may be able to get a female to emulate a male voice with training, but a male will do it naturally without training...and 99 percent of the time sound better

Good mr fu......believe you forgot to unlock the link.

Suppose if you really wanted to make the most progress at the best cost to progress level. I would say buy a course like Roberts....MAYBE cvt or tamplins. However, I know the people behind roberts course and pretty sure it would be hard to beat. Then get a personal lesson once a month, twice a month if it could be swung while working with the program. I never took a course such as that. All my training came from one on one,group, ect. Then as time passed, my training came from trial and error from performance to performance and show to show. After the show figure out what went wrong lol. Why my voice hurt, why it was more difficult to control the last 20 minutes, why the high end lost some of its sharpness...ect ect ect. Try to make adjustments, rinse and repeat. Though I would say the real time learning is irreplaceable. But if I had to do it all over again, I would do it as I said above. Mixing that with getting out and just doing earlier. I spent too much time and money early on just training, especially in opera. I will say this, and please dont blast me too much teachers as this is not an insult. I can say for a fact I learned more from two lives shows than 20 lessons. In my opinion, the most effective a teacher can be is teach the basics, then telling the student go use it. Then being there for the student to help with whatever issues. Least that is what I would have loved. "Hey coach, i sung these 8 songs, these three I got tight and worn out"...or something along those lines. That would have been great instead of having to struggle through it alone and trial error. Wow this got way too long...sorry

Yeah....he def does not need auto tune. Sad though, even great singers now days are auto tuning a tad just to keep up with the jones

I dont know if I would work on your heady/falsetto tone that much. Maybe get just a tad bit more closure if you wanted to. I think its pretty powerful for how far away from the mic you are, with zero effects. If you were singing like that into a real mic, with compression and all the usual studio effects. Your falsetto would sound just as good as anyone's else on the radio, or better. You really sound pretty well balanced and just like someone I would here on the radio singing this style. I mean sure there are little stuff you could work, little more closure for your light tone, a tad bit more control. But even Pavarotti could knit pick his voice with tiny issues. The day you say my voice is 100 percent is the day either your ego takes over logic.....well thats the only occasion I can think of Lol. However, when you get down to knit picking, then I would say you are doing great. That is surely what I would have to do to find issue with your vocals..... Oh and fyi i was speaking of the original post

I had just got this song out of my head a month ago. Thanks for bringing it up again *eye roll*

I can hear the metal technique in your voice. Possible new gent?? One this with this type of music, you need variation. You sung the entire song the same, which comes from the constant power needed in metal. However with lighter stuff like this, there is no power vocals to rely on. No big range, ect. That is what makes the song so intimate. So vary your voice, lighten it up, with random spots of connection ect. Just think of how you would feel saying these words on music like this. How would your voice change, that gut feeling, ect. That is just my two cents

Give me that smooth distortion ya ass hole!!!! Ha ha...jk...well not the distortion part, gimmie that distortion lol

I love it when a female singer has depth to her voice. Doesnt just sound like another mickey mouse screecher. She has alot of cool over tones in her voice, power, and cool style. To her, YOU SOUND GREAT... To Robert, good job with your guidance, hope the momentum keeps going.

Hey thanks daniel!!! Appreciate it....welcome back by the way, I know you have been out of town swamped for a bit

Awesome!! Thanks maestro!! Will certainly do

Oh ok cool. Yeah all the vocal track has right now is just a hair of compression and reverb.

As in brighter do you mean post recording eq, or mic itself? Or the voice it self? As in brighter like more mid range brightness? I am going to take the comments I get in the next day or so then apply them as much as possible and make a few comparative recordings. Also going to include one in the fifth octave, as one song is mostly 5th octave singing. Also thanks by the way for the kind words! Also for taking the time to comment! Also I am glad you like that style of mixing, though it isnt really just a quickie for demo. However, that is my favorite style of mixing, I love songs to be open even if there is alot going on. Try to have that ear to ear fullness, like you are sitting in the middle of the room. Oh and super excited all the piano work i am doing at crystal where they have a real grand in a live room!

For my personal band we are about to record 5 songs. So I have really been working to find the mysterious perfect tone. What do you think about this mic, there is no eq, its all neutral in this. I have also been working to drop some more of the operatic tone out of my voice, so what do yall think of the tone itself. Or the combo of the mic plus tone. This is just two quick quarter songs. I have posted these before a little while ago, that is why I did them like this again. Kind of a before and after. Any tips, hints, comments, or even a go away you suck welcome lol. This project has been our baby for a while, so trying to get everything right moreso than usual. https://app.box.com/s/vjo99kirhb6t6rnopwyo4yg7hhinia8p

There really isnt much to say here, just like mr killerfu said. Everything is pretty damn solid. I would like to actually hear this recorded in a actually mixed recording where you can really focus on the artistic side. Track the instrumentals then sing over them. I also would like to hear you sing a more intense piece, just because I wanna hear what it sounds like lol. Honestly I am prob working a little crush over your vocal timber and tone lol.

Ha ha, boy named sue was sung by a low baritone lol. Anyways, i actually listened through my mixing head phones this time to hear the track again. The mix sounded much better through them than some crap computer speakers. I think it is more the type clipping distortion that you are using that is not friendly to my ears. I have always liked tighter warmer guitar distortion. Even if you used this distortion effect and warmed it up a bit it would be better. But that is just to my ears everyone is different. As I said the mix was better than I originally thought, listening through better speakers. I would still maybe look at compressing the vocals a tad more then running them through a limiter, with a hair of post boost. To be clear I was not insulting your vocals at all, I like the tone and timber. If i lighten my voice like that, i get a nice clear tone, but not much excitement in the overtone or timber department. So I think it is cool and unique how you can sing. So clarifying heady tone. Perhaps I shall use a different phrase. I will go with, just barely touching with just enough mass being moved. Its very efficient, even when you had that low note in the song, it was a well connected note, yet still "light". When i hear you sing, except for maybe past the b4 world, i envision two hands with very thin gloves on. You still hear the clap, but it is a warm clap, without spac! I imagine you have some pretty nice stamina singing. Hopefully that helps a little bit

You did reply actually. Even through killing as many brain cells as i did this new year I remember originally you replied to me "Thanks, I am about to start taking lessons again and intend to work on that" ...Or something in that ball park. I suppose I should have just went along and say you never did reply...make you think you are losing it lol

Mr ron!!! Honestly I dont have much to say on the actual vocals. This really just sounded like you being you. You stayed light and heady the whole song, never dipped into a chestier voice. Which I think for you sounds really good because it is how "you" like to sing. I can always appreciate it when someone knows who they are vocally, that alot of times wont happen in a singers life time. This was a good song choice for you and I liked your vocals in it. So well done! What I do have to say is how to get more out of what you are recording for your singing style. Well first I will say I think you should drop the guitar tracking a bit in volume. Then if you have a real tube pre, or an vst tube pre, run it through that, warm it up a bit. Then hit all the guitar tracks with a decent amount of reverb to take the edge off of them, as well as backing them into the mix a smidge. Then with your vocals, I would run them through a bit of compression. Off the top of my head from what i heard try starting here. Threshold -35db..ratio 5.1...attack as low as possible...release about 350ms...i would give the make up about a 4db boost. Though I would have to see how all these changes affected it so take that one with a grain of salt. This should level out your vocals, and also let you stay in your lighter tone configuration and cut nicely. Then add the reverb to set you back into the mix. I would then start to work the eq a bit, i have my idea for those but it is really so dependent on individual mixes I dont like to say much. Though I almost always do some work around the 600-1200 range for clarity but not always. As well as drop the low and high ends of the spectrum, no reason mudding the mix for crap you cant even or dont even want to hear. I like your style and timber, and I think with some relatively easy tweaks to the way you are recording, you can really be heard like you should. Also, if you want to meet up one day I am up in that area here and there. You are also welcome down here as well. I have already met with one member here, and actually worked on some stuff, and it was an extremely positive experience. I would be happy to help you with anything i can as well as record some stuff:)

It doesnt work to ask for criticism, then fight it till the end. Simple, your timing was off, you had no key you stayed in, and some other crap i dont feel like mentioning. Mainly because i know it will flow through one ear and out the other. If you want to stay like this then good for you, just dont ask for criticism. Stay confident and be a rock star, do what you want. However, if you really want to improve, gotta drop the ego and say you suck and start from square one. I am not saying you suck, but that is the mind set you need. I just did that to myself about 3 weeks ago. I had two nagging issues that were not resolving, so it was time to change it up. I took myself down to beginner, told myself you are a rook and suck. I worked with two different people since then, as well as mini advice from many others. You know what, in that short time, one problem is gone and the second is just about gone too. I could have kept for 10 years prob and never fixed them if I didnt take myself down a peg and ask for true help. Instead 3 weeks and massive success. However let me tell you what I didnt do with the two people whom worked with me. I didnt spend any time talking about myself or accomplishments nor excuses. Just sat the f down and did what was asked of me, no ego no nothing. I couldnt be happier with the results, and very thankful for the help given to me. Especially one person who never gives lessons anymore really. Point is, you gotta choose one day man which route you are gonna take. Stay a rock star, or knock chip off your shoulder and truly listen. There are alot of intelligent people with good ears here.

Killer, i totally agree with you on giving a song space to breathe. That is one of my favorite things to do. However, it feels this song would lose alot of its fire if he did that here. I am not even really a fan of quick paced stuff like this, however i like this piece. He really pulls off something pretty neat here.

Very nice man, good tone and it seemed like you captured the mood of the song very well. The only thing I can say is on the verse, you could experiment with staying on an imaginary legato line. I know its is a bunch of words that are very close to staccato in phrasing. However, the way you are saying them now, you ramp up from like a note or two down, hit the note, then fall back down. So its like riding a rollercoaster of notes in the verse. So keep them choppy but dont deviate from the target note, i think that would bring the smoothness the verse needs. Just my humble opinion. Other than that, you sound bad ass, I love the vibrato by the way. Very smooth wide, but not a wobble, very pleasing to my ears. Oh fyi your other cover was great as well, but couldnt listen to taylor swift cover lol. Something about that girl that raising the hair on the back of my neck. She is doing well enough to not worry about me not being a fan though ha ha