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  1. Your post is excellent in its entirety, though I only quote the end. It may be impossible for them to do it, but I hope that more "Teachers" Coaches" or "Programs" will help students understand that part you refer to, so that failure rates go down.
  2. MDEW! Your comparison of the different branded methodologies is extremely useful! This clarifies SOOO much! Thanks for this. A very rare and valuable insight! I wonder if all students of these various schools of thought realize the differing accentuations, or expect more than is actually delivered. What it says on the tin does not always lay it out so clearly.
  3. Thanks phale for the link. Any Estill people here who could say if the term means exactly the same to them? Or is this a CVT forum?
  4. Precisely! Hillbillies rule!! (Just to be clear. I am not in disagreement with any of the fine explanations given here to the imperfections of this world, nor in personal ignorance of how to get a nasal sound, or how to narrow the epiglottal funnel, nor what is needed to have an epiglottal narrowing, and yet control the resonant areas - including AND ruling out the nasal cavities. I was only curious why use a word that causes confusion, when both the technique and the sound can be described without complication. If the reasoning is merely that because epiglottal narrowing SOMETIMES causes a twangy sound, it is like arguing that because sometimes sheep are black, then all things black can be called sheep).
  5. The word twang is a perfect word to describe twang, but a step back from 'brass'. AES would be a step forward. The nasal Twang sound can be produced by other means than narrowing the lower throat, and narrowing the lower throat can be done without producing a nasal twang sound. Hence associating a twangy sound, with a technique and naming that technique 'twang' is like giving the name 'loud' to a technique just because somebody somewhere produced a loud sound using that technique.
  6. The word twang sure twangs. A perfect example of an onomatopoetic word. A word that perfectly sounds like what it describes.
  7. I shrug my head too. Whoever introduced this term to mean AES skills is guilty. The person who this was told to, and did not object, but instead decided to repeat the offense did not think it through either.
  8. We all learn, and have learned, new words from time to time. Even if you assume your audience is dumb, that should not detract from the good cause of trying to help them with bringing clarity to issues. Still paging CVT people for an answer on the previous question of 'necessary twang' as an 'overall principle': Is the overall principle one of sound or shaping of lower throat?
  9. Like PC is an abbreviation, the lower throat could be shortened to LT for those with a need for a vocabulary smaller than in an Eagles song lyric.
  10. Glad to see someone else thinks the terminology is loose. It's like the old story about five blind men describing an elephant, and getting into a fight when one has just felt only the leg, the other only the tail etc. As with falsetto, since somebody only heard that it was airy, the other only noticed it was high, and each then made differing definitions on these lacking observations, being also overly assumptive in naming the sound and the technique with the same word.
  11. In my world most people do not associate 'twang' with 'brass'. This may have to do with language areas. Most Tennessee girls can get a very slow sexy airy soft and totally brassless 'hi honeyyy' but still with a lot of cute girly twang in the sound. So can Taylor Swift in her ballads. The sound what people are used to in their everyday talk, as if when they go shopping and ask for a kilo of tomatoes, does not have the emotional tension that a song should have. It is important to guide vocalists to display more emotion in the voice than in normal speech. The core of the problem is indeed how not to sing like you speak in boring daily situations. The beginning vocalist will indeed be a prisoner of habits gained from the way they talk.
  12. Metallic/Ringing/Piercing is fine! Very close to the old term 'brass'. Let's indeed not use the word twang :-)
  13. I do not see it as a reliable indicator, since it is possible to vary the amount of nasalance without varying the narrowance of the epiglottic cavity (by narrowing and shaping other moving parts situated higher in the pharyngeal and oral cavities) .
  14. Sure, agree with you 100%, but we are also creatures that are born to think, invent new words, and help others, so why call it twang. Your term 'narrowing of the AES' is much clearer.
  15. The "only confusion" is nevertheless unnecessary, and has grown to be quite an industry, when one just looks at how much discussion it raises on forums, and the amount of twang video tutorials this unfortunate naming has spawned. Why keep using this term? There are better alternatives. The confusion has arisen, as you note, from the one word having two meanings: The technique of twang (epiglottal narrowing) and the resultant sound (twangy). There are also so many other ways to nasalize the sound (shape of tongue etc) that to associate one technique with one sound is an encouragement for confusion. For efficient teaching these should be differentiated ASAP by terminology in teaching That a certain one sound on a sliding scale has been given one name seems to lead to tricky waters. Since it is on a gradual sliding scale It would be better to talk about the skill of using gradual epiglottal narrowing. BTW - did you use twang in two different meanings in your reply when you say " the overall sound does not need to be "twangy" even though "twang" is present in your voice". In other words: " the overall sound does not need to be "twangy" (in the nasal sound sense) even though "twang" (in the epiglottal narrowing technique sense) is present in your voice? Being curious about this, I explored the terminology and came across a CVT book. There it is said as a fundamental, that there should always be twang. Is this meant as the technique? In other words, according to CVT, should one always sing with an epiglottal narrowing? Or is this fundamental meant to mean one should always sing with some degree of nasality, even if subtle? Any CVT people here to answer this? Has the usage of 'twang' as a technical term increased due to CVT? Is out of loyalty to CVT that this term is not replaced with more accurate usage of language?