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HI all OK so today someone told me that there are 4 voice types The first. Is the shy sound The second. Is a puppy sound The third. Is a winey winging sound The forth. Is a call/ belt sound Dose anyone know what I am talking about please and if so what is the proper term for all this?
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How do you respond to a comment like this concerning this potential singer - "I think YOU have a skewed outlook on singing. In NO way was that girl a good singer, nor could she ever be. It's not like training for a marathon where you can build up muscle and stamina. You either have vocal talent or you don't and no amount of vocal coaching can change the very foundation that that girl does not have the vocal ability".
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So I've been singing for several years now and I've a pretty okay grip on how to use different techniques when I need to. I'm a male to give this some context and I wouldn't say I have a high voice. If anything, my voice is low, not deep but low. I know this because whenever I sing with others, I can always hear a huge difference between our voices. A few weeks ago, we recorder a song in school with over 16 voices in a room, I was on the furthest end from the recorder but yet my voice was still stood out because it was lower that everyone else's. Again, my voice isn't deep and on a good practise day, I can hit high notes for example the chorus of I Have Nothing and if I push hard enough, I can sing Let It Go up till the final belt. Yet, I find myself in an impossible position to sing songs from mostly male singers. It's not that the notes are too low, but because it's too high ( ? ) What I mean by this is take an Ed Sheeran song for example, I might start off pretty okay but immediately when the chorus hits, I can't seem to find the right key and when I do, I have to nearly screech to hit the notes. Another example is Say You Won't Let Go by James Arthur, I sing the verses perfectly well, but when it enters the prechorus, I can feel my veins in my neck squeezing so hard just to hit the note. This might be a bad comparison because it is a pretty hard song to sing. Or even Luke Bryan or Andy Grammer, both these singers are one of my favourite male singers but it pains me because I can't even sing 1 of their songs. When I listen to their songs, they don't even particularly start singing high notes but for some weird reason I can't find the right key to it. I always end up singing lower than the original and strain my voice real hard to the point where it doesn't even sound good. I don't really know if there's some key that I'm not hearing or something but it baffles me that I can choose to sing Ariana Grande but can't sing Blake Shelton because it's too high. I would really love some insight into this problem as it makes me really hard to harmonize with in groups and I would really like to be able to sing with other guys instead. Another thing to add is that I don't have a bright voice, I might be able to sing Let It Go or Defying Gravity on key but those would never be my performing choices as I only use them as comparisons and range practise. My most comfortable and natural tone sits on a more depressing ( ? ) tone. What I mean by that is that I don't sound cheery or about to bust out singing Broadway. Perhaps this might be a reason to why I can't seem to sing some of the " male " songs because I can't mimic the same tone that some of them tend to have. -
Malcolm and David both suffered from Dementia in the last few years. Many of you may not have heard of David Cassidy. He was the singer of "The Partridge Family" a sitcom in the early 70's. The very first TV show I ever watched was "The Partridge Family" I was in first grade and would serenade the girls with songs like "I woke up in love this morning" and "I Think I love You". I was such a stud in the first grade thanks to David.......The rest of the years not so much.....but I digress..... Malcolm helped teach me the joy of playing guitar....Him and his brother seemed to have so much fun while doing it..........Rest in Peace my friends.....
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Hi! I'm new-ish to this forum, posting here for the very first time because I'm super excited to share my progress. I'm male, 23, started taking singing lessons only 2 months ago. Prior to that I was a rubbish singer. I'd read a lot about vocal technique in the past i.e. chest, head voice etc. but it was all rather abstract - especially when it came to the mysterious mixed voice (what the what?). Anyway, I couldn't sing for my life until recently when I bit the bullet and started seeing a voice teacher near where I live. Only 2 months later and I CANNOT believe the progress I have made! This recording was taken today - I usually record myself doing vocal exercises at home - and has me doing a vocal slider up to C5 while adding some cord closure and lots of support. Although I could only hold the note in full voice for a couple of seconds, I managed to get a tinge of vibrato in there and the release felt AMAZING! 2 months ago I was straining to even hit C5 in falsetto! https://vocaroo.com/i/s0ecsVplMXIH Just goes to show that practice and patience works! -
Hi All! I have a question regarding baritone singing. So my student is a new solo singer (he's an adult male who has been singing in choir for 5 years). Baritone/bass voice type. We're working on his confidence when he sings, as he has a "swallowed' sound of sorts. He mentioned to me last lesson that he thought he had to swallow his sound in order to sound more manly (he's had some issues with orientation and masculinity). Are there any exercises or concepts we can work on to improve confidence/decrease the swallowed sound?
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I can't seem to figure out how to search the site or TVS... What are some good methods to gain control on lifting the soft palate?
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Hello I recently discovered a YT-Channel called JT Machinima (now JT Music) and I enjoy a lot of their songs. Their main content are rap videos with some singing passages in them. So naturally I tried to sing/rap along and.... I am really bad at it. Obviously, I am a 16 year old boy who never did sth like this before. Song that I tried: So my question: I am a complete beginner. How can I get started and work my way up to sth like this song? How can I sing/rap without damaging my voice? Because when I tried to sing along my voice just breaks/goes silent because I cant reach that pitch. And even if, then my voice gets hoarse. Ps: Singing lessons are not a viable option right now, because I just want to try it and not start paying money or sth. Maybe later. Furthermore I am also kinda shy/scared when it comes to singing so I don't want to join a choir or sth public. Thank you in advance!
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How would I know if I am a baritone or a tenor? I am pretty confused concerning this subject, mostly because my vocal coach told me I could be a baritone OR a tenor. WTF!?!?! Who does that? Is there any practical advice as to how I could know that? I can sing up to a B4, and sometimes a C5, in head voice (Although there's this weird thing that happens when I go from B4 to C5 that I have to do to get from b to c..), and I can go as low as A2. I guess this is my regular range, I haven't gotten the C5 and above down perfectly but I have been able to go higher than C5 , I'm not including those notes (Above C)because I'm not sure if I was hitting them right. But even then if a2-to b4 is my range wouldn't that make me a tenor? Or am I a baritone even though I can't hit anything lower than A2. Even when I sing low my voice sounds pretty light. I have only been taking voice lessons for a month- once a week. -
Not sure what to call this. But I'll call it my ghost range. From about E3 to E4 I have basically a missing octave. I can sometimes hit the notes; but usually my brain just skips to another octave. I have difficultly especially around B3 where half the time it's just air. If I manage to trick my brain to hit it I can ring it out okay sometimes. I think it's about muscle memory. I probably never use that octave. I usually speak in the 2's and I sing in the 4's. Any trick to fixing this? I was thinking maybe sirens up to notes in that range, and then switching between octaves. Like B2, B3, B4... Then C2,C3,C4, etc. Any videos in TVS/FPs that speak on this?
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Hi guys. If I go lightly on my pressure I can sing up to F#5. The issue is that my throat gets very tight. I can start tight on a C#5 and then relax and add air to get it louder without issue. Any tips on how to do this for F#5. The F#5 seems too tight to actually be able to send enough air into it to add volume. Is this more an issue with control? Or muscle? More practice vs working out more. Thanks, Rich. -
Hey guys, Just had my first singing lesson at the new school. My teacher said I was a baritone. And mentioned that I probably wouldn't be hitting most of the songs I want to actually sing. That it would be better to either pick new artists/songs or transcribe them. That said, curious if anyone knows of any baritone pop singers? Thanks.
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Can someone explain these to me more. Is a minor third three half steps and a major third is? Wiki says major third is four semitones... so, half-step? And by half-step, that's just the next jump on the keys right? For example C to C # is a half step? And B to C is also a half step? Thanks, Matrix
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http://cvtresearch.com/welcome/ Has anyone checked this out? It's free. Just curious what peoples thoughts are on it.
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I was wondering about what singing in pitch, or key, really means? Whenever i sing and use a software that shows me what note im hitting it tells me that im another note, even though it sounds good. If i strum an E chord and start to sing blue eyes crying in the rain, it tells me im singing around a G but the line seems to end in an E. If i correct myself to the software everything sounds very monotone and not right at all. Is it supposed to be like this or am i lost?
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I have been training in the car lately. Simply because I tend not to have too much time available. Is there any issues with this? I find my posture is horrible, and I have to sing a lot lower and softer than if I were not sitting in my car.
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Just hit a D#5... I can go down to about a D2. Is that a decent range for a beginner?
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let's continue our discussion of steve perry. clearly, in a class by himself. (for earlier posts related to this discussion, please see the "i nominate urgent" post.) -
http://www.newser.com/story/249476/tom-petty-suffers-cardiac-arrest-report.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top Cardiac Arrest. 66 years old first song of his I ever heard and of course the classic
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Hello guys, I am new to this industry with zero experience. Long story short, I would like to record a radio quality song. Unfortunately where I live there aren't any vocal studios, Therefore, I have to create my own at home. I did some research, However, I have got four main questions, please give me your advice from your experience guys! First Question: I am going to buy mic NT1A, Focusrite scarllet solo audio interface with pro tools, mic stand, low Z xlr microphone cable. Now, are these products good as a beginner? I will not be recording any instruments. I will hire a producer online to do everything. I just need a clean recording. Question is, do I need any extra items? Second Question: I read so many times that background noise is a major issue etc... What can I do in order to avoid that? Keep in mind that i am "creating" my own home studio. Third Question: What is the order usually in chronological order -> recording, mixing, remixing, producing, mastering? How does it work. If I hire a producer is he or she supposed to do everything? and all I have to do is record? Or is a producer's job different than mixing, mastering etc.. Fourth Question: I wrote my lyrics and its all good. However, usually how do artists come up with "how to sing the song" like, do producers usually demo the song? Since I am relaying on the producer to do the beat, so is the producer also responsible for "demoing" it? Thank you so much guys, If anyone has an idea I would highly appreciate it! Have a good one!
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I love Ben Folds and I love Elliot Smith so I figured I'd share this gem
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Hello can anyone in here explain how does rob halford sound so thin on high notes? Is it head voice? <----during the chorus i bring your love he goes to a high C
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Classical teacher's thoughts on rock singers
PianoandGuitarguy posted a topic in General Discussions
As I've mentioned in other posts, I've been taking lessons for a few months with an opera/musical theater singer, and I've played a whole lot of different singers I enjoy for her to hear her opinion, and I find it interesting to hear the impressions of someone from a different world and different sensibilities. I thought I'd compile all the ones I remember into a collection because I was also curious to hear reactions: Chris Cornell: Disliked. "He's just screaming in the one part. And his high notes are very thin, but he puts all the scream and effect on it. If you heard it without that stuff it would just be a very weak sound." Bruce Dickinson(Iron Maiden): Disliked. "Sound is thin, poor technique on higher notes, badly produced vibrato." Dio: Unimpressed. "Again, just a thin tenor putting some effect on his voice." Warrel Dane(Nevermore): Liked. "Good control. He's making a choice on every note." Eric Adams(Manowar): "One of the best sounds of all the singers you've played for me. But still a thinner tenor voice." Mike Patton: Liked. "Nice voice, clearly knows how to sing. But I wish I could hear his natural sound more instead of all this 'put on' stuff he does." Tarja Turunen and Marco Hietala(Nightwish): "You can hear both these people know how to sing correctly, they're just doing some weird things because that's the style I guess. Forcing the straight tones is making her sound flat, and she knows that, but she still does it." Devin Townsend: "If I were his ENT doctor, I'd love him, because of all the money I'd make form all the damage he's doing. He has to be on steroids to be doing what he does consistently. Either that or he's just a freak." Eric Clayton (Savior Machine): "Completely different from the other stuff you've shown me. Sounds like a regular baritone stage voice." Daniel Heiman (Lost Horizon): "Not bad. He's doing some of that weird stuff again, but he sounds good otherwise." Alissa White-Gluz (Arch Enemy): "Oh God, that's a woman!? I can't listen, it's too painful, she's ripping her vocal chords to shreds." Phil Anselmo (Pantera): "I guess it's...kind of like singing." Tim "Ripper" Owens (Judas Priest, Iced earth): "His voice will probably last a bit longer because he knows what he's doing and being very controlled about it." Mikael Akerfeldt (Opeth): "He's got a nice voice." Mikael Akerfeldt growling: "There's no way he's producing that sound naturally. Either that or he's doing it very quietly and it's made to sound much bigger." -
I'm a metal/progressive rock/classical guy taking lessons with a classical opera singer. It's always an interesting thing bringing her vocals to listen to. Some get better reviews than others, but the most common thing I hear from her is that the vast majority of vocalists are wrong for my voice, because they're just too high and light, and I have a bigger voice with a darker color. I kinda knew that was true of someone like James LaBrie, but Bruce Dickinson, Eric Adams, Dio, etc. I wouldn't have called them smaller voices, or the highest, or the thinnest, but to her they are. I one guy she thought was a bit closer match for my voice was Tim 'Ripper' Owens, or maybe that I could get get away with singing stuff from baritone-y guys like Eric Clayton of Savior Machine, who has a cool voice but it's usually a different thing. To her, a voice like Geddy Lee is just an exceptionally odd VERY light and high male voice, almost off the spectrum, and 90% of the rock singers out there are light, thin tenors. She asks if I have some other things to bring her that aren't like that, but it seems in rock, almost everyone has that sound, and with the exception of a few baritones here and there. The implication - the world of rock and pop is just filled to the brim with light tenors wherever you look these days. Even on Broadway these days this is all the rage: (Also interesting my teacher thought the composer should be shot for making the singer do that B5 at the end in that style, because it's certain to cause damage over time, and this singer did indeed have to take a break because of voice trouble I think). I mean, if you listen to something like this: ...this kind of voice can't help but sound a bit old fashioned. But really, it's just a natural male voice, singing as it would naturally sound. But there's practically no place for that voice in pop or rock, it seems. I suppose the question is, to what extent are we talking about just a lot of thin tenors, and to what extent are we talking about singers who might be baritones or low tenors, but who thinning their sound out, because that's the style?
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Came across this info and thought many would appreciate this ENT Doctor's perspective on vocal damage and vocal health. ENT Dr. talks about the stigma of vocal injury when she heard about Adele's concert cancelations. http://www.ohniww.org/adele-voice-injury-canceled-concerts/
