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Hey,  I have taken probably 10 or 20 voice lessons in the past, and having gotten bogged down with work and family commitments I wasn't able to throw myself into it like I wanted to.  Now I find I have a bit more time on my hands and am trying to find the right teacher, and perhaps also buy a program for doing exercises.

I tend to prefer singing songs in the style of Sam Cooke, The Everly Brothers, Elvis.  So soul mixed with a lot of early r&r, r&b, early country, blues etc...the classics.

I'd LIKE to find a teacher local who has a bit of a secular/gospel background but I don't think there are any around in my province. The two coaches i've had both had classical training which is great, but I always feel like by continue to study with them i'll sound like i'm singing with an operatic type of voice in the styles I enjoy. 

 

1)Are there any online coaches, or programs that might fit what I'm looking for?

2)What is the most important thing to consider when hunting for a local voice coach?

Thanks

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The Four Pillars has everything you could possibly want. It is not just rote exercises but how and why to do them. It is about strengthening your voice and coordinations for singing whatever style you want.

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@Sugar 

I study with a classically trained teacher and while it takes time to get there you really get good fundamentals for singing without straining and then you can naturally start developing a voice that works better for modern styles. It's mostly about vocal placement... unless your teachers never tried to sing anything except opera they'll know how to help you find the vocal tone you like.

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On 13/06/2016 at 0:42 PM, Sugar said:

2)What is the most important thing to consider when hunting for a local voice coach?

Results, planning, being involved on the craft, being a specialist on singing.

 

The first is simple, If the teacher can't sing worth a glass of water, nothing he/she could show you would make you any good. You want help, the last thing you need is to have to become better in spite of the teacher

 

The second is to avoid the random lesson thing some people do. You get to the lesson, the guy can't even recall your name, let alone what you did last time, and then it becomes the "agility training day", yay... Without planning, you won't know where you are going and will lose perspective. Taking the measures to execute the plan is also necessary of course. If the teacher doesnt seem to take notes, about anything, don't check on the exercises you were supposed to do and seems to just throw some different exercises your way for no particular purpose, red flag. The learning curve is steep and it can be very frustrating to wake up after months of training and not be able to answer what is it that you are working currently on technique.

 

The third one is because it's much easier to work with a down to earth person that isnt into just cheerleading you while you do scales and KNOWS what will be important for you when you get into actually doing what you want. If possible, experience performing on the same kind of setting that you want, if not, at least experience performing in SOME kind of setting.

 

And finally why being a specialist is important. Let's put it this way, most teachers worth their salt take tons of lessons, train for years, continue to take lessons and prepare as well as update their knowledge on the craft in some manner during their whole carreer. And this is talking about people who study it for over 20 years... What chances do you think that you have of learning to sing from a guy that teaches singing, piano, guitar, violin, drums, music theory and French on a local music school??... Red flag. I've seen the outcome many times and its not nice,

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On 6/14/2016 at 1:34 PM, Adolph Namlik said:

  Sugar,

I totally agree with all of the others who have recommended TFPOS. I have every version of Pillars that Robert has produced since I first met him in 2007. The latest version is the most comprehensive program that you will find. PERIOD !!!

The Four Pillars of Singing

I'm all for Robert's system. However, the OP didn't like the teachers in his area because they come from a classical background. If the OP prefers to study with a local teacher, their classical background shouldn't stop him from doing so. I admit sounding like an owl making a bad impression of an opera singer for the first few month. It was annoying. Then I smoothly made the transition to forward placement and adding compression and I can't even imitate my tone when I just started. So it takes a little more patience with the classical system but it gets you to a pretty similar place. 

If an online system is still required, from what I saw I'm all for Robert's system... 

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Johnny,

My apologies for directing my comments to you rather than "Sugar". For some reason, when I made my post yesterday I couldn't see the initial post by Sugar. (?) I'm constantly having problems with my ISP, so I'm sure that's the problem and NOT the forum. But today, Sugar's initial post is visible. As you can see, I've made the necessary Edits.

BTW, I'm not that familiar with all of the abbreviations that I constantly see on the forum. As such, I'm not sure what you mean by "OP".

Again, please accept my sincere apologies !!!

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2 hours ago, Adolph Namlik said:

Johnny,

My apologies for directing my comments to you rather than "Sugar". For some reason, when I made my post yesterday I couldn't see the initial post by Sugar. (?) I'm constantly having problems with my ISP, so I'm sure that's the problem and NOT the forum. But today, Sugar's initial post is visible. As you can see, I've made the necessary Edits.

BTW, I'm not that familiar with all of the abbreviations that I constantly see on the forum. As such, I'm not sure what you mean by "OP".

Again, please accept my sincere apologies !!!

 

OP..........Original Poster           I am not good with these abbreviations either......... sometimes I come up with some really odd phrases trying to figure them out.:)   Original Poster makes more sense than Orange Peel.

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12 hours ago, Adolph Namlik said:

Johnny,

My apologies for directing my comments to you rather than "Sugar". For some reason, when I made my post yesterday I couldn't see the initial post by Sugar. (?) I'm constantly having problems with my ISP, so I'm sure that's the problem and NOT the forum. But today, Sugar's initial post is visible. As you can see, I've made the necessary Edits.

BTW, I'm not that familiar with all of the abbreviations that I constantly see on the forum. As such, I'm not sure what you mean by "OP".

Again, please accept my sincere apologies !!!

Don't worry about it. It is tricky to follow internet discussions, I think that we instinctively assume that people are commenting to the poster exactly  above them. I probably should have made myself clearer. 

 

10 hours ago, MDEW said:

 

OP..........Original Poster           I am not good with these abbreviations either......... sometimes I come up with some really odd phrases trying to figure them out.:)   Original Poster makes more sense than Orange Peel.

Do notice that OP also works for Odd Phrases :)

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7 hours ago, JohnnyL said:

 

Do notice that OP also works for Odd Phrases :)

Good catch............my subconscious mind making connections................ my post would have been funnier if I had noticed that.

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2 minutes ago, MDEW said:

Good catch............my subconscious mind making connections................ my post would have been funnier if I had noticed that.

Well, now we have a funny thread. That's even better. 

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My father-in-law went over the hill a few times. Literally over the hill in WWII. 9th USAF, 410 Light Bomber Group, 646th Squadron.

Then over the hill age-wise at 40. Then, again, at age 80. He passed away at 90, with full military honors and gun salute. 

The hills are alive with the sound of music ....

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Ron,

My problem is that I refuse to admit that I can't do the things that I was able to do 5, 10, 15, etc. years ago. But I never give up !

I don't like to discuss my injury, but you, Robert and several others are aware of the implications.

BTW, it's absolutely true what I mentioned about my ISP. Just yesterday I tried to listen to a post on Soundcloud in the RMS forum and it was blocked. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Today, the song isn't even visible. I also have problems with my email. That is, sometimes some of them are held back for several days. I've called tech support more times than I can count and I keep getting the same answer : "There's nothing we can do".

I love living in the country BUT, cable isn't available where I live. :wallbash:

I don't THINK I'm OTH, but.... ??? :39:

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7 hours ago, Adolph Namlik said:

Ron,

My problem is that I refuse to admit that I can't do the things that I was able to do 5, 10, 15, etc. years ago. But I never give up !

I don't like to discuss my injury, but you, Robert and several others are aware of the implications.

BTW, it's absolutely true what I mentioned about my ISP. Just yesterday I tried to listen to a post on Soundcloud in the RMS forum and it was blocked. Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Today, the song isn't even visible. I also have problems with my email. That is, sometimes some of them are held back for several days. I've called tech support more times than I can count and I keep getting the same answer : "There's nothing we can do".

I love living in the country BUT, cable isn't available where I live. :wallbash:

I don't THINK I'm OTH, but.... ??? :39:

A high school friend of mine lives on a ranch about 20 miles east of me and he cannot get cable, either. He is at the mercy of satellite.

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16 hours ago, ronws said:

A high school friend of mine lives on a ranch about 20 miles east of me and he cannot get cable, either. He is at the mercy of satellite.

I'd be willing to bet your friend is very frustrated as am I.

The sad part is that cable ends about a mile and a half in either direction from me. I called the cable company once (Time Warner), and they told me they'd be happy to conclude the "run" if I had $100,000.00.

Oh, sure.... That's "pocket change" :24:

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On 6/18/2016 at 0:10 PM, Adolph Namlik said:

I'd be willing to bet your friend is very frustrated as am I.

The sad part is that cable ends about a mile and a half in either direction from me. I called the cable company once (Time Warner), and they told me they'd be happy to conclude the "run" if I had $100,000.00.

Oh, sure.... That's "pocket change" :24:

Same for him, in just about the same words.

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