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3 hours ago, YouCanSingAnything said:

There's a lot of good advice here already haha. If someone has the confidence I have them use a microphone and try and pitch match to a tone I play through the mic speaker.

But honestly all the fancy stuff aside. I recommend everyone record their practice sessions; a phone is an adequate recording device. Play a note, try and match the pitch, listen back to the recording. Repeat. Do this for 4 hours a day for the next month and I guarantee you will no longer have pitch issues.

Still, if the student cannot recognize whether he/she is matching the pitch correctly, that would not do any good. That is why some people (I don't know if that is the case) really need a teacher or coach, or even a friend who is a musician to guide them through the process.

It may sound funny, but I know some people who just love music and singing, and sing with the radio several hours per day and are just clueless of how off-pitch they are when singing.

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11 hours ago, Gneetapp said:

Still, if the student cannot recognize whether he/she is matching the pitch correctly, that would not do any good. That is why some people (I don't know if that is the case) really need a teacher or coach, or even a friend who is a musician to guide them through the process.

It may sound funny, but I know some people who just love music and singing, and sing with the radio several hours per day and are just clueless of how off-pitch they are when singing.

And that could be exactly the problem 2 cats has. And so, having someone in person or even through skype to help him identify what hears and how to match it is going to be so much more effective than all these written words. Especially since many of the musical theory words we use are alien to him. I could say goosenfrabe and it would mean the same thing, right now.

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And I have edited mine to just the question asked, in the interest of everyone abiding by convention of discourse.

As far as importing music tracks into Reaper, I don't see why not. Check the Reaper manual to see what formats it takes or just get one that is a wav or mp3 or mp4.

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4 hours ago, Bzean123 said:

This is the second topic I've seen recently with politics inserted. I don't know since when it became ok to preach your political views on this forum - I always thought that Robert frowned on such activity and I doubt his opinion has changed. Things can get nasty in a hurry and no one wants that.

@ 2 Cats: Let me guess - this Farage fellow just happens to be a great speaker and we can learn something about singing from his speeches, right? Suuure. Personally, I don't think it was in any way clever to take Ron's humorous comment and sneakily use it as an opening to tell us your political views. Actually, the intention was patently obvious. 

I don't have anything to do with the running of this forum, but IMO politics of any type has no place here and I feel those videos should be removed.

Agreed, Bzean. The post is now hidden.

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3 hours ago, YouCanSingAnything said:

Practice almost always fixes it =p. If someone sits there for 120+ hours over the course of the month they will inevitably figure it out. There are so many solutions here already!

Sorry man, but I strongly disagree with you on this. How can countless hours of blind practice help anyone? If a person has no idea of pitch or how off they might be, and no one to show them the direction, I find it very hard to believe that such a person would succeed. Cheers

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14 hours ago, Adolph Namlik said:

Agreed, Bzean. The post is now hidden.

I'm sorry if you saw the later part of the post offensive, but the first part of the post I had two quotes and some questions and a link to a recording of my self and a piano 

Would there be any chance you could unhide that part of the post or repost it please

 

Thanks

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2 hours ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

I'm sorry if you saw the later part of the post offensive, but the first part of the post I had two quotes and some questions and a link to a recording of my self and a piano 

Would there be any chance you could unhide that part of the post or repost it please

 

Thanks

   I tried to "Quote" just the part that had your example. I could not make it happen.

   The first note you sang with the piano was the same "Note" of C. But the piano was striking a Higher C. If you sing the same Note and strike the piano on the next C lower you will be able to match them better.

   The "Notes" in music repeat. (C1),D.E.F.G.A.B.(C2), D,E,F,G,A,B,(C3) D, E,F,G,A,B,(C4),D,E,F,G,A,B,(C5)                              The Notes I wrote out are the names of the WHITE keys on a piano.  If you will notice that the pattern of the BLACK keys repeat. Each note of C is the one right before the Pattern of   2 black keys separated by 1 white key Then 2 white keys side by side.

      In your example the piano struck the C5 and you sang C4.  Which is not bad not knowing exactly how to Match pitch.

When you strike each C on a piano you will notice that even though they sound different there is a quality of sameness about them. This sameness is the idea behind Matching pitch. Although different instruments may have a different timbre, When they play the same note that quality of sameness is there.

      You might say that the different Cs on a piano have a different "Weight" to them but the same character. In pitch matching you try to reproduce the same "Weight" and "Character" of the note.

 

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3 hours ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

I'm sorry if you saw the later part of the post offensive, but the first part of the post I had two quotes and some questions and a link to a recording of my self and a piano 

Would there be any chance you could unhide that part of the post or repost it please

 

Thanks

Cats,

Just for the record, it's cool to post a political statement if it's humorous in nature or to draw an analogy. In fact, many of us have done that over the years. However, posting three videos is a bit overboard. The bottom line is that this is a VOCAL forum and not a political forum.

I attempted to remove the videos and leave the remainder of your post intact, however, I was unsuccessful in doing so. Feel free to re-post your recording and the quotes.

 

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On 19/07/2016 at 11:32 PM, KillerKu said:
On 22/07/2016 at 1:30 AM, KillerKu said:

If you can't hear the pitch. You've basically got two options. Have someone who can hear the pitch tell you when it's right. It can be a teacher or a musician friend. Or you can try using an objective pitch analysis software. If you record your voice into this program:

http://miracle.otago.ac.nz/tartini/

I downloaded and installed that program and it works; but I do not have a clue how to use it.

Is there a user manual for it by any chance please

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4 hours ago, MDEW said:

   I tried to "Quote" just the part that had your example. I could not make it happen.

   The first note you sang with the piano was the same "Note" of C. But the piano was striking a Higher C. If you sing the same Note and strike the piano on the next C lower you will be able to match them better.

   The "Notes" in music repeat. (C1),D.E.F.G.A.B.(C2), D,E,F,G,A,B,(C3) D, E,F,G,A,B,(C4),D,E,F,G,A,B,(C5)                              The Notes I wrote out are the names of the WHITE keys on a piano.  If you will notice that the pattern of the BLACK keys repeat. Each note of C is the one right before the Pattern of   2 black keys separated by 1 white key Then 2 white keys side by side.

      In your example the piano struck the C5 and you sang C4.  Which is not bad not knowing exactly how to Match pitch.

When you strike each C on a piano you will notice that even though they sound different there is a quality of sameness about them. This sameness is the idea behind Matching pitch. Although different instruments may have a different timbre, When they play the same note that quality of sameness is there.

      You might say that the different Cs on a piano have a different "Weight" to them but the same character. In pitch matching you try to reproduce the same "Weight" and "Character" of the note.

 

Sorry dude but you have completely lost me.

But hear is the link again me making the Ar sound to the piano 

https://app.box.com/s/fy8lzxf91lqlp09tt58cg03hnp97oz8y

Or this piano http://www.apronus.com/music/flashpiano.htm

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On 20/07/2016 at 1:10 AM, KillerKu said:

I haven't done much chromatic solfege yet. Seems like a good thing to work on. Chromatically accurate ear training is tough. Vagueness in tonal center and a lot more unpredictable intervals. But a good portion of music I listen to features non diatonic passage.

Playing other fret-less instruments helps too. Anything without buttons. I've been noticing improvement since using a fretless guitar.

 

 

On 19/07/2016 at 0:59 AM, Draven Grey said:

I use solfeggi in interval and relative pitch training. 

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I am confused by all this again!

The piano shows us we have 7 notes A B C D E F G, and do ra me fa so la te is 7 notes as well

So dose every letter on the piano mean one of those? and if so which letter is do and which letter is ra and so on?

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On 7/24/2016 at 9:50 PM, YouCanSingAnything said:

There is no such thing as pitch deafness. There are only trained ears and untrained ears. I've worked with tons of people with pitch problems. If I play two different pitches one after another.. there isn't a single person out there that can't tell me which pitch was lower most of the time. The more time someone spends doing it, the better their accuracy becomes.

If the OP sat down with this simple pitch program for 4 hours for 30 days... the problem would go away. Plays a high pitch and a low pitch. Which one was the high one? You don't need a program to figure this out you can do it by recording yourself and listening back as I already suggested.

http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/

There is only 1 difference between those who succeed and those who fail. Those who succeed get up after falling down. Most of the time it's less about being told what to do and putting the effort into figuring out for yourself what works and what doesn't. There are probably a dozen suggestions already given to the OP.

Holly nigel farage!!!

And there was me thinking it was all brittans got talent and x factor thing where you got or or you ant got it

So how come some amatures can sing a lot better then others with out no training what so ever?

23 hours ago, Adolph Namlik said:

Cats,

Just for the record, it's cool to post a political statement if it's humorous in nature or to draw an analogy. In fact, many of us have done that over the years. However, posting three videos is a bit overboard. The bottom line is that this is a VOCAL forum and not a political forum.

Those 3 videos reflect a story of timeline about the person in question 

I had a quick look at Ron's post before he reedited it. yes nice to see someone too took a liking to that kind of 2 fingers up to the establishment vidos. But watching that kind of stuff is like watching porn to me

I like my conspiracy theories and so dose Ron likes his JFK conspiracy theories tooo..

Remember that guy we where talking about yer; then how come over the space of a 5 year period does the day before the general election he ends up nearly dead.

I like to think they tried to kill him off to provent him and his party succeeding any powers

Yes I do believe the British goverment did 911

So could we write a song hear about politicians being a bunch of crooked lying cheating two faced hypocrites by any chance

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20 hours ago, YouCanSingAnything said:

If the OP sat down with this simple pitch program for 4 hours for 30 days... the problem would go away. Plays a high pitch and a low pitch. Which one was the high one? You don't need a program to figure this out you can do it by recording yourself and listening back as I already suggested.

http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/

I decided to give that link a try, its a hearing test, and hear are the results

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43 minutes ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

 

 

I am confused by all this again!

The piano shows us we have 7 notes A B C D E F G, and do ra me fa so la te is 7 notes as well

So dose every letter on the piano mean one of those? and if so which letter is do and which letter is ra and so on?

Rather than assigned to specific notes on the keyboard/fretboard, they correspond with the notes of a scale. "Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do" is a major scale that can start with any note. Solfeggi represents intervals and relative pitch with the root note being whatever key you're in. In the key of C Major = Do(c) Re(d) Mi(e) Fa(f) Sol(g) La(a) Ti(b) Do(c). For C minor = Do(c) Re(d) Ri(d#) Fa(f) Sol(g) Si(g#) Li(a#) Do(c).

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If this does not help then you really need to get in front of someone who knows music.

 

piano-scales-a-minor-natural.jpg

piano-scales-c-major.jpg

    Do     Re     Mi     Fa     Sol    La     Ti      Do

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26 minutes ago, YouCanSingAnything said:

That's pretty good then.

Are you sure the problem isn't just investing time into practice?

umm thats actually quite bad. If he's in the 10th percentile, then that means that he  scored higher than only 10% of the sample.

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3 minutes ago, YouCanSingAnything said:

The sample could be a bunch of music nerds like me, though. He's 'normal' and able to tell two notes apart within less than a semitone. That's perfectly reasonable.

Most people I've know with "pitch problems" would be well below that.

I suppose. I'll have to take this test some time to see how I do. 

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2 Cats pitch problem was that he had NO IDEA what being on pitch meant. He can tell that notes are different from each other but did not know that you have to MATCH PITCH when you sing. If we can just get him to understand what the heck we are talking about he will improve quickly.

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Nope can not edit the above quote something is wrong with the forum

 

That test is for listening and not singing to what you hear 

So if the teacher says my hearing is fine then it has to be something ells like my singing 

 

Anyone have an online test for matching my sounds to say the keyboard?

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1 hour ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:
On 7/20/2016 at 8:10 PM, KillerKu said:

something is wrong with the add post box can not add text correctlly

TEST

It's working fine for me.

Just a couple of suggestions : 1) Try clearing your cache and cookies. 2) Try a different browser.

Hopefully, this will work.

Edit : I also noticed that in some posts, the text is being added in the quotes. Perhaps that's a problem as well. When using the quote feature, click UNDER the quote and then add your text/comments.

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20 hours ago, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

Holly nigel farage!!!

And there was me thinking it was all brittans got talent and x factor thing where you got or or you ant got it

So how come some amatures can sing a lot better then others with out no training what so ever?

Those 3 videos reflect a story of timeline about the person in question 

I had a quick look at Ron's post before he reedited it. yes nice to see someone too took a liking to that kind of 2 fingers up to the establishment vidos. But watching that kind of stuff is like watching porn to me

I like my conspiracy theories and so dose Ron likes his JFK conspiracy theories tooo..

Remember that guy we where talking about yer; then how come over the space of a 5 year period does the day before the general election he ends up nearly dead.

I like to think they tried to kill him off to provent him and his party succeeding any powers

Yes I do believe the British goverment did 911

So could we write a song hear about politicians being a bunch of crooked lying cheating two faced hypocrites by any chance

Yes, you can write your song about politicians if you wish. And you can share it as well.

But please.... NO MORE political posts !!!

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16 hours ago, YouCanSingAnything said:

If you have a smartphone there are a lot of apps for that. Also.. google.

How much do you practice? What does your routine look like?

Sorry dont have a smart phone but do you have a google link for me by any chance please

To be honest I dont do any practice; I am just starting out

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On 24/07/2016 at 9:52 PM, 2 cats in a dust bin said:

Sorry dude but you have completely lost me.

But hear is the link again me making the Ar sound to the piano 

https://app.box.com/s/fy8lzxf91lqlp09tt58cg03hnp97oz8y

Or this piano http://www.apronus.com/music/flashpiano.htm

So after having some more work and having time to practice my recorded piano while I am driving

I have rerecorded my self trying to pitch myself to the piano

The first one I have done is do, ray, me https://app.box.com/s/k3vfevcug10hfovp226ukiurjn6sdiho

The second one I have done is the Arr sound https://app.box.com/s/zwcilov2a39o3dtr5dq17a8cng3lf2r8

And the 3rd one I have done is the E sound https://app.box.com/s/n3zcng3jp4qljnqsu72u95tf3tuh0ieu

I have practiced a bit so see if there is any improvement from when I first tried it in the link I posted above

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