Basic singing course recommendation

[MDEW]

   Listen to the words and write them down. Be your own muppet.

[MDEW]

5 minutes ago, Troll - 01 said:

lyrics/ words are for muppis that cant read a score

     You are proving that you are a muppet. Scores are BASIC road maps. The singing is in the interpretation. The words are what guide you in where to use inflections and whether to sing soft and soulful or loud and piercing. The notes by themselves will be boring and lifeless.

     The words breathe life into a song. Learn the words. Listen to how Elvis delivers the words. Stop being the muppet computer generated being you keep accusing others of being and FEEL the song.  FEEL the beat of the music and let it flow.

[MDEW]

    You are chasing your tail.You want to be a singer and wonder why even when you get the melody right people still do not like your singing. I am trying to tell you why. Others have too and you will not listen. You are the muppet.

    The melody is important but the reason for the song is in the words and music and the feelings they project or the emotions they produce.

   Yes there are symbols in a score of music that give you a basic guide for how loud or soft to play the instrument or to sing, but again, they are a BASIC guide. The nuances that make it music come from the singer and the musician.

    Let a computer generated program play the score exactly as written and it will sound like shit.

[MDEW]

And melodine changes the pitch to mimic a voice. Melodine still sucks.

[MDEW]

4 hours ago, Troll - 01 said:

what gives you the impression its called mimicking, remember what you said now, theres more to singing then pitch

have you used the program?

What melodyne can and cannot do does not matter. It is just another thing you throw in here to keep you from focusing on your own singing and how to improve it.

There is more to singing than pitch and even the use of melodyne requires someone who knows how to use the program to make Computer generated music sound like something that was recorded by live musicians. 

   I submitted a song that you sing with Elvis singing it so you can compare the difference in how he sings the song to how you sing the song. Maybe if you actually listen to it you may be able to hear the difference yourself and be able to recognize why others have a problem with your singing.

   The reason I do that is because YOU asked the question of why people react the way they do. Like it or not all this back and forth BS is because I am still trying to help you whether you like it or not.

[MDEW]

We are not talking about the guitar, How you sing this and your delivery of the song is the problem. You are not thinking about what the words are saying and there is no point to the song if you do not give it the meaning.

   Without even listening to the words you can tell by the sound of Elvis' voice that he is frustrated and demanding the girl to take action. His voice is strong and firm. Using the type of tone that a person would use when reprimanding a spoiled child. It is not weak and whiney, like he is begging or pleading. It is not airy like he is whispering, and it is not shrill and shaky like he lacks confidence. He knows what he wants and wants it now. Not later. He is not asking her to maybe think about coming over later. He is TELLING her. Stop talking, stop beating around the bush, Satisfy me.

 

[MDEW]

   Man, get a freakin' grip.

   Your common sense is out the window. You keep talkin' about other people and they have to be full of bullox because you cannot understand what the heck they are trying to tell you.

   This kind of crap is not going to be in any training course because a training course is just to get your voice strong and useful. HOW you use it is your problem. A training course is not for a specific style of music, or a particular "Vibe". you are supposed to adapt the training to the singing.

    Those quacks you keep talking about are right. maybe you will not be a better singer. It is not because the course cannot make your voice better but because YOU will not listen.

    That is fine. If you want keep being a troll and call people names like a child would do, go ahead. You are the one that is losing. Good luck.

[MDEW]

58 minutes ago, Troll - 01 said:

this is when Jesus Crist will return as he said he would but this time he will return in a UFO)

Haven't you heard? Jesus returning in a UFO is the holographic trick by the illuminarty to fool you. The real Jesus comes after the trick of the fake Jesus taking control. UFO jesus is anticrist.

[MDEW]

1 hour ago, Troll - 01 said:

so whats its to be captin bird eye, juke boxes in the pub, watching the x factor in the pub or you and me howdee partner singing elvis died on the shitter (only karaoke style will surfise hear now!)?

If I ever make it across the pond I will look you up and we will sing a duo....Elvis and Willy(nelson that is}. "You were always on my mind". They both had hits with that song. Maybe a Beatles tune would be better. Just like John and Paul. We can work it out. I am not going to sing "Its raining men" sorry that one is out.

[saqib09]

omg!! ha ha. wth happened here? i left after my last response and now it looks like a full blown epistemology war here. btw, i conclude no one knows if the course im looking for exists. Robert Lunte's course seems sth i'm not looking for, nothing almost on music, just techniques. i'm surre its a good course, looks well organized. but again, not what i was after.

[Felipe Carvalho]

On 7/8/2019 at 5:18 AM, saqib09 said:

I was wondering what singing course you would recommend for someone wanting to get a basic but comprehensive course on singing. This is not meant to answer 'how to sing high' or other 'secret' techniques etc. These things could be in the course. The point is it is a singing course, working as a comprehensive course and teaching the basics of music and singing, not necessarily 'techniques'. Doesn't have to be genre specific, in fact, shouldn't be genre specific. It would be like a guitar course that doesn't teach you how to play fingerstyle, or rock or jazz  rather teaches you all the basic things you need to know about playing guitars including music theory. While elementary jazz, blues, rock, classical, etc would be essentially part of the course I would assume, the focus is not to teach 'styles'  particularly.

Could you tell me more what you would want from such course, what would you expect to be able to do from it? Reading sheet music would be part of the deal for you or would you rather have energy and time placed elsewhere? How about the theory, you would want to learn music theory in parallel or or just the necessary to use with singing?

If I say: Knowing how to use your voice to produce pleasant music, would it be accurate? Say for example to be confident to hold your own to sing back vocals on a band?

[Robert Lunte]

1 hour ago, saqib09 said:

omg!! ha ha. wth happened here? i left after my last response and now it looks like a full blown epistemology war here. btw, i conclude no one knows if the course im looking for exists. Robert Lunte's course seems sth i'm not looking for, nothing almost on music, just techniques. i'm surre its a good course, looks well organized. but again, not what i was after.

What are you looking for? 

[saqib09]

6 hours ago, Felipe Carvalho said:

Could you tell me more what you would want from such course, what would you expect to be able to do from it? Reading sheet music would be part of the deal for you or would you rather have energy and time placed elsewhere? How about the theory, you would want to learn music theory in parallel or or just the necessary to use with singing?

If I say: Knowing how to use your voice to produce pleasant music, would it be accurate? Say for example to be confident to hold your own to sing back vocals on a band?

"Music theory in parallel" sounds right and "just necessary to use with singing" seems the perfect amount.

"Knowing how to use your voice to produce........" - this is I would think is most courses focus on, and obviously there's nothing wrong and everything right about that.

I would say this introductory/basic (but comprehensive course) should teach you, say about scales and intervals, the basic practice routines - how to sing with scales and what scales, etc. A little bit of breathing technique, warm up, etc would naturally accompany that lesson. But it would not be about breathing technique or whole workshop about how baritones can sign high and so on.

If I can use guitar learning as analogy, and I feel this will make the point across - there are whole courses that teach you how to hybrid pick, how to play string skipping arpeggios, or course of blues shuffle and 12 bar blues. These would be the segmented technique lessons. But a basic training course would be one that teaches you the basics of reading, the basic chords, scales (major, pentatonic, and so on), intro to finger picking, basic jazz rhythm, advanced chords, two chords, soloing from scales...I think you get the idea. The course will not necessarily concern itself whether you can play the scales fast enough to be a pro or a live player. Naturally the basic elements are there, which you can utilize to reach there. I hope this makes sense.

[saqib09]

6 hours ago, Robert Lunte said:

What are you looking for? 

Hi, wow, a response from Robert Lunte himself. Thanks

I would say this introductory/basic (but comprehensive course) that I'm looking for will teach you, say about scales and intervals, the basic practice routines - how to sing with scales and what scales, etc. A little bit of breathing technique, warm up, etc would naturally accompany that lesson. But it would not be about breathing technique or whole workshop about how baritones can sign high and so on.

If I can use guitar learning as analogy, and I feel this will make the point across - there are whole courses that teach you how to hybrid pick, how to play string skipping arpeggios, or course on blues shuffle and 12 bar blues. These would be the segmented technique lessons. But a basic training course would be one that teaches you the basics of reading, the basic chords, scales (major, pentatonic, and so on), intro to finger picking, basic jazz rhythm, advanced chords, two chords, soloing from scales...I think you get the idea. The course will not necessarily concern itself whether you can play the scales fast enough to be a pro or a live player. Naturally, the basic elements are there, which you can utilize to reach there. I hope this makes sense.

Thanks very much for responding. Again, like I said above, your course seemed great to me (I looked at this one - BECOME A GREAT SINGER: Your Complete Vocal Training System). It's comprehensive, very well organized and detailed. I guess, I am looking for more emphasis on music (theory etc) and not so much on technique, which is surely very important but for my purposes it's not the focus.

[Robert Lunte]

Hi Saqib, nice to have you here.

The TVS courses are not music theory or musicology courses.

They are about how to train the voice to become a stronger, more coordinated singer.

If you are not aware, there is a "lite" version of the course that is about $12 - $30 depending on what flash sales the platform is running and then there is the full version that offers a lot more features such as the full book, download files, complete warm-up modules and training, other features. 

Sorry I can't help you with music theory. But if you want to become a stronger singer, I can.

Welcome to our forum.

[MDEW]

 I am afraid you will not find a course that includes music theory and singing. It may seem a pretty simple idea but they are more complicated than you may imagine from a beginner standpoint.

     There are courses on beginner musical theory. Any library, music store or on line resources should have something that would fit your needs. As for singing you can look for "vocalizes" .  And you should be able to find "Beginner" "intermediate" and "advanced" They are melodies in sheet music form that help "Train" scales and intervals and other such exercises you would find for musical instruments but designed for singers.

    Because "Singing" is such a personalized thing as far as musical taste and what style of music you prefer you hardly ever find a singing course that covers "Style" with things like "Where to take a breath" whether to sing with a Falsetto sound or a Full sound. Not to mention the differences in Volume, phrasing, and rhythm that would imply emotional intent. Most of that is left to either the singer himself or perhaps a choir conductor or personal coach.

   The vocalizes would include the musical symbols that imply differing volumes, when to breathe and whether to sing the phrases as one connected note or individually using words like Staccato and legato.  

[saqib09]

On 7/31/2019 at 10:06 PM, MDEW said:

 I am afraid you will not find a course that includes music theory and singing. It may seem a pretty simple idea but they are more complicated than you may imagine from a beginner standpoint.

     There are courses on beginner musical theory. Any library, music store or on line resources should have something that would fit your needs. As for singing you can look for "vocalizes" .  And you should be able to find "Beginner" "intermediate" and "advanced" They are melodies in sheet music form that help "Train" scales and intervals and other such exercises you would find for musical instruments but designed for singers.

    Because "Singing" is such a personalized thing as far as musical taste and what style of music you prefer you hardly ever find a singing course that covers "Style" with things like "Where to take a breath" whether to sing with a Falsetto sound or a Full sound. Not to mention the differences in Volume, phrasing, and rhythm that would imply emotional intent. Most of that is left to either the singer himself or perhaps a choir conductor or personal coach.

   The vocalizes would include the musical symbols that imply differing volumes, when to breathe and whether to sing the phrases as one connected note or individually using words like Staccato and legato.  

hey, thanks.

"It may seem a pretty simple idea but they are more complicated than you may imagine..."

I disagree completely. I read music and know music theory. it doesn't have to be complicated and is quite teachable through an online course.