chillwynston Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yo guys, Ok I'm pretty slimish and when I sing, even if I'm breathing well and have great support on a pretty easy midvoice note I will get veins protruding around my neck.. I just wanna know.. is this because I am doing it wrong or can it happen and you can be doing it correctly and it is due to how I'm anatomically built? Cheers Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted April 18, 2011 Administrator Share Posted April 18, 2011 Mike, welcome to the Sport of Singing. Know that you are not alone in this... know that every singer on this forum has dealt with this issue to one degree or another. Know that this is one of the reasons why everyone on this forum is here... What is happening, and Im really simplifying this for you is... you are failing to modify your laryngeal configuration out of the primitive instinct to Belt or Shout high in your chest voice. Its what your body is telling you to do, but its not working... you can only "shout" so high before the constrictor muscles begin to engage and you begin to get all chokey... The solution is to learn to bypass the high, shouty chest voice... typically that means around E4 for men... and learn to sing those notes in your head voice... initially it will be windy and Falsettoey... again, nothing that everyone on this forum hasnt dealt with before... you will then learn to stop phonating "falsetto" vocal mode in your head voice and replace it with an exotic vocal mode we talk about all the time here on TMV Forum called, "Twang". SummarY; 1st. You need to learn to bridge the registers (chest/head) without engaging the constrictor muscles or yoddling. 2nd. You need to learn how to sing vocal twang in the head voice and stop phonating Falsetto, which is not what you want. It takes serious practice, serious training and commitment. Most people, provided you have a teacher that can teach you how and workouts to train on at home... can learn to begin to get it in about 60-90 days. Im one of the best in teaching people how to do this and would be happy to have you as a client and to help you with it. Hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yo guys, Ok I'm pretty slimish and when I sing, even if I'm breathing well and have great support on a pretty easy midvoice note I will get veins protruding around my neck.. I just wanna know.. is this because I am doing it wrong or can it happen and you can be doing it correctly and it is due to how I'm anatomically built? Cheers Mike although, like rob said, it can be a sign of consriction.. it's possible because some people naturally are very vascular.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillwynston Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Videohere: I dont feel constricted, the notes feel easy.. There is no strain in my voice plus I am pretty veiny ha.. Rob: I wouldnt say there is strain in my voice plus I am very twangy I'm gonna upload a track I wrote on critique my singing, just so you can hear my voice, be cool to hear what you think. Thanks guys Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 chill, that's what i mean...you may not be constricting and those veins can show on some people. are you very vasular? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillwynston Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 chill, that's what i mean...you may not be constricting and those veins can show on some people. are you very vasular? Yeah pretty much have vascular arms and chest too, I do a lot of gym work, I just wanted to check that veins in the neck categorically meant I was doing it wrong even when it felt like I wasnt.. I'll tell you when I do feel some constriction tho.. When I try to hold back the tone in an attempt the hold back the air drying out the cord.. This is from Tamplin Masters edition. I guess I need to be able to feel the difference between holding the air with glottal compression and constricting the air, found it hard to get into my voice last night.. Can you give me any advice on how to hold the tone back (when I do it correctly I can hit much higher notes easier in chest than when I use more air) do I need to mindfully hold my breath before attacking the note? or is it more of a drip feed (when I kinda drip feed as I sing I feel the constriction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 can you send a specific example? you can go a long way to not constricting anything when you have that relaxed open throat and are supporting the breath, controlling exhalation. support done correctly takes tension off the vocal mechanism. just try this little test.....with a nice relaxed open throat, glottis open (you know ken's, "it's the la, ah thing") sing the word "hah" rather forcefully stacatto, attempting to "bounce" your diaphragm, abs, and back. did you notice how everything in the larynx, throat was loose and free? (a great support exercise b.t.w...got that from roger kain's cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillwynston Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 Ah right, I've got a Roger Kain Cd, I like how he gets the mixed voice going, I did find his exercises a bit full on from the start, but he's got the best speaking voice ha... Ok I think it stems from the open throat technique... Its the la....then I sing with this open throat, feels good... I then try to hold back some of the air and I create a more compressed sound, I visualise it as if I am singing at the opening of my mouth not projecting it out.. When its compressed it feels more controlled but I'm definitely more veiny in the neck when I compress.. It feels compressed, it feels like the sound is coming from a smaller area so the air pressure will increase and the sound gets higher... I cant really imagine compressing the sound and keeping an "its the La" type openness.. I'll try Roger's exercise thanks for that... What I need really is for someone to listen to me and see what I'm doing, I'm meeting with a vocal coach next week.. I'll explain where I am in the world of singing.. Anyways I have uploaded a clip of me singing a part of a new song http://www.box.net/shared/0lk680goeb be awesome if you could have a listen! Thanks man Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 mike, sounded nice man...as a rule i never critique singers on the forum. hope you're cool with that. is there something specific you wanted me to listen for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillwynston Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 Yeah, its support more than anything... Ken told me that he thought I was only supporting 75%, I cant really remember when I put that vocal line down, but I felt good about it.. Also its the glottal compression, do I sound constricted in any way, I warmed up a lot before this song so it felt good.. One more thing would be, this is my chest voice, I can go higher in my chest but at that pressure I cant bridge... I have on occassions really held back the air in my chest and gone up to a kind of head voice without a break, but it was messy, plus this is hard to practise as its very exerting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Bob, there's a difference between telling a singer if you liked his/her singing or not ... and pointing out some technique detail that you can hear that the singer is missing and you feel that that's the reason why he/she is not suceeding with his/her goal, as described the original post. Do you understand what I mean? For example, perhaps a singer posts an audio example and says - I can't reach the high notes. You may or may not like the singer's sound, but perhaps you can hear right away that the sound is way to squeezed, which probably means a too high larynx, in which case you could recommend to the singer that he or she sings with a yawn/dopy sound to fix the issue. And that doesn't have anything to do with your own personal taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Mike - your clip sounds awsome! I think you are supporting very well and it doesn't seem constricted to me - maybe just a little, but I chalked it up to your unique tone and style. I'm also practicing Ken's glottal compression. He saves this until Stage 3 to make sure you can sing correctly first because the compression can easily (and accidentally) evoke the constrictors. I feel I'm doing his compression without any constriction. I spent a solid year on his Stage 1 and 2 before getting into compression. Also, in stage 3 is singing both lightly and loudly up in the passagio area which has helped me bridge to head at any volume. There is also a good exercise in Stage 2 for that ("Bridging from Chest to Head"). If I'm singing really loud I need to bridge high (at B4 or even higher). If I'm singing really light I can bridge much lower. Geno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Bob, there's a difference between telling a singer if you liked his/her singing or not ... and pointing out some technique detail that you can hear that the singer is missing and you feel that that's the reason why he/she is not suceeding with his/her goal, as described the original post. Do you understand what I mean? For example, perhaps a singer posts an audio example and says - I can't reach the high notes. You may or may not like the singer's sound, but perhaps you can hear right away that the sound is way to squeezed, which probably means a too high larynx, in which case you could recommend to the singer that he or she sings with a yawn/dopy sound to fix the issue. And that doesn't have anything to do with your own personal taste. i hear what you're saying, i just feel some critiques can't be objectively made via a file like these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Yeah, its support more than anything... Ken told me that he thought I was only supporting 75%, I cant really remember when I put that vocal line down, but I felt good about it.. Also its the glottal compression, do I sound constricted in any way, I warmed up a lot before this song so it felt good.. One more thing would be, this is my chest voice, I can go higher in my chest but at that pressure I cant bridge... I have on occassions really held back the air in my chest and gone up to a kind of head voice without a break, but it was messy, plus this is hard to practise as its very exerting.. mike, believe me whan i say it's not that i don't want to help anyone, but in terms of support i don't hear anything noticably weak. i don't hear any contrictions either. it's a good vocal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillwynston Posted April 26, 2011 Author Share Posted April 26, 2011 I understand man, its cool you think its good!! Guess I'll keep at it! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I understand man, its cool you think its good!! Guess I'll keep at it! one bit of advice i like to give others who ask me, because someone very famous once gave it to me. sing every song like it's your last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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