VideoHere Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 VideoHere, Firstly, no ass kicking necessary, and believe me, there's nothing that can break my spirit . Second, no sweat! that's why I posted in the first place, I wanted to find out so that I can do it right, learn, and develop my voice. I do in fact like metal/rock a lot, I would love to sing PowerMetal (like Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Blind Guardian, Iced Earth etc), but I'm also a very large fan of Opera. To be honest, I dont really understand what you mean by not using adducted appropriately compressed vocal folds...sorry,maybe you can explain how to do so? Here's a clip of what you asked for C3 - WeeYah http://www.box.net/shared/uic9k053dj Sorry its short, I can physically hold it for 15 seconds, the problem is I've noticed if I hold a note too long my computer's mic feeds back badly and you just blank noise. A note on this, as I had mentioned, it's been four years since I've actually been trained and worked with. these higher notes are coming along, back then in high school I didn't have them, or at least I don't know, my teacher trained me on my middle voice and lower only, never touching the top. Thank you for your help, I do appreciate it a lot. Yvon sure, i'll explain very basically....the vocal folds need to stay adducted (together) particularly as you rise in pitch... they stretch and thin for high notes...phonating in "full voice" (not in a falsetto configuration, which means the folds are not adducting) means you are going to need the coordination and strength to keep them from blowing open...that's how your notes crack. a balance, a very important dynamic balance has to occur between the compressed air you need to generate the high notes (the engine if you will) and the pitch making element (the vocal folds) that's what a lot of people may not realize about the vocal folds...that's their primary function...they are responsible for pitch and pitch changes. if you are going to build your voice to sing higher pitches the folds must not only stay together but must not squeeze too little or too much...if too little, the air will push through which ruins the note and if too tight the voice strains and can be damaged with vocal nodes and all that. that's why i use the term "appropriately" compressed. keeping the vocals folds "appropriately" adducted as you rise in pitch is one of the greatest acheivements because you've built the strength and coordination needed to sing those notes with power without defaulting to falsetto. that's a big goal of mine...each day i exercise, i try build the muscle/muscle coordination to keep the folds a little more connected. that could mean a lousy half step every year but hey i keep trying....lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YvonMoraes Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 It really did Steven, thank you very much!! I'm just waiting on the program to arrive so that I can start actually having a structured form of training thanks again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YvonMoraes Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 Even in some of the classical texts I have been reading, the move was away from classifying in one fach or another. To simply say one is baritone because that is where you were strongest before training is erroneous and a detriment to the developement of the voice. I prefer Steven's own (loosely paraphrased, please, forgive me) definition. Your fach or range classification should be defined by where you are strongest in dynamics and control. I am reminded of reading of a case study from one voice teacher who encountered a student who had been classed by other teachers as a baritone but he was having problem projecting with power in that range. So, the teacher had him try some different things in different ranges. Turns out he was a beautiful tenor who had been holding himself down, based on earlier judgements of his voice. So, wait until you've done some different things and see where your voice takes you before you "decide" what kind of voice you have. Two cents = two cents (so far, unless the fed keeps printing money.) Will do, for the time being higher just seems comfortable, always has been, I hated when I was told to sing lower, would hurt my throat, even though I produced sound. Goal is to just grow then, not worry about Fach. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YvonMoraes Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 sure, i'll explain very basically....the vocal folds need to stay adducted (together) particularly as you rise in pitch... they stretch and thin for high notes...phonating in "full voice" (not in a falsetto configuration, which means the folds are not adducting) means you are going to need the coordination and strength to keep them from blowing open...that's how your notes crack. a balance, a very important dynamic balance has to occur between the compressed air you need to generate the high notes (the engine if you will) and the pitch making element (the vocal folds) that's what a lot of people may not realize about the vocal folds...that's their primary function...they are responsible for pitch and pitch changes. if you are going to build your voice to sing higher pitches the folds must not only stay together but must not squeeze too little or too much...if too little, the air will push through which ruins the note and if too tight the voice strains and can be damaged with vocal nodes and all that. that's why i use the term "appropriately" compressed. keeping the vocals folds "appropriately" adducted as you rise in pitch is one of the greatest acheivements because you've built the strength and coordination needed to sing those notes with power without defaulting to falsetto. that's a big goal of mine...each day i exercise, i try build the muscle/muscle coordination to keep the folds a little more connected. that could mean a lousy half step every year but hey i keep trying....lol!!! Thank you for the explanation! I understand what you mean now . Besides the WeeYah exercise you told me to do, is there any other one specifically for this? And although this may be off topic, I keep reading about "twang" and how thats supposed to help you get those notes, how's that done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Thank you for the explanation! I understand what you mean now . Besides the WeeYah exercise you told me to do, is there any other one specifically for this? And although this may be off topic, I keep reading about "twang" and how thats supposed to help you get those notes, how's that done? http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/themodernvocalist/viewtopic.php?id=2152&p=2 check out the video in post #46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YvonMoraes Posted May 3, 2011 Author Share Posted May 3, 2011 http://www.punbb-hosting.com/forums/themodernvocalist/viewtopic.php?id=2152&p=2 check out the video in post #46 THANK YOU!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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