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What do you think guys?

It's my interpretation this great song.

The harder critique you give the better singer I will be!

Of course the correct name is "I want to know what love is" by Foreigner

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Singing is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, and augments regular speech by the use of both tonality and rhythm.

- Wikipedia

Just kidding. Sounds pretty good! Sounds like you're sad. But in a good way ^^

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It sounds good. I think you are using the right technique for the passagio. The only critique I have is in the vowels.. Many of the vowels are very dark towards "Oh". for example."I Wanna" sounds a bit like "Oh Wonna". Your lips sound like they are pursed - shaped like a "oo" or "oh". The most important thing though is that I think the back of your mouth is shaped correctly to help shift the first formant reasonance. That part sounds very healthy. All you have to do is minor tweaking in the front of your mouth to brighten the vowels (while leaving the back exactly where it is now). This is not super easy though and takes some coordination.

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Verse: Just great!! Chorus: Good, but a bit too "dopy" for my taste. Note how your chest voice and head voice sound very differently. They could sound a bit more similar. I suggest that you "yawn" slightly less. Cheers! Great job man.

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Jonpall

Where the chorus is started? "In my life....." or "I wanna know..." ?

I would try with less yawning but im afraid of losing the "meat". :)

Guitartrek

I understand what you mean completely. Thank you.

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I mean when you start to sing high notes - which is actually in the pre-chorus "...in my life...", yes. But also in the chorus. Try less yawning but keep a cry and twang, resonant vowels, proper breath support, don't protrude your jaw, don't pucker you lips, sing with feeling ... and you should be on a good roll.

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I agree with that over-dopy thing, but other than that it sounded good and was really pleasant to listen to. I listened to it more than once. I guess some brightness on the high notes would just make it sound more natural, you won't loose the meat.

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Devaitis, the only thing I thought could change is the gutteral sound of your 'h' on "heartache and pain." You are pronouncing 'h' the way that you would in your native tongue. And, in so doing, it will mess with your breath management. In singing, 'h', even for native speakers of English, should be mostly silent.

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I agree with Ronws on the "h" thing. I was actually going to mention that. Just listen to how Lou Gramm says "h". But note the way you sing in the verses give a good indication to how your high notes will eventually sound because you have a great sense for details and sing it extremely well. Not many people can do that. Well, they could if they practised, I guess.

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I think the first link was slightly better but I didn't hear that much difference.

This was more in the way I was suggesting, so great job!

I'd personally like to hear you use even less "dopy/yawny" sound than here. Try thinking slightly more "Steven Tyler" and slightly less "female opera singer". By the way you don't sound like a female opera singer, but what I'm trying to say is that the direction I'd like you go to towards is Steven Tyler (when he sings without rasp), which sings a lot in twangy curbing, medium volume and not that big a mouth opening (he just has a big mouth). And the exact opposite direction would be towards a female opera singer, who sings high notes but overdoes the yawn. I guess that you don't want to go ALL the way towards a Tyler-eque sound but try going slightly in that direction and see what happens.

And also focus more on the english diction - BOTH consonants and vowels.

Then your high notes might become so scary that it will make us envy you - because you do have lots of talent.

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In the "high part only" clip - spot on. Your diction was much better and you backed off the "h" sound.

What a lovely voice you have. There is a vibrant, warm quality to how you were doing this. I would keep up with that.

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Devaitis,

in that first clip you had what I would call a sweet headvoice. Very pretty. The second clip sounded more full voice and closer to what Lou is doing. Lose the extra dopey/too covered sound and you will be killing this song.

My 2 CNY(Yuan)

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Thank you guys for advices.

After fresh listening my clips today morning I can hear unwanted dopy sound.

Ive got 3 songs: "I want to know....", "When a man loves....." and "Show must go on" and i have been singing those for 3 years now, because those songs show my weak points every time. Especially in passagio area :)

I believe some day i will be able to sing it perfectly. With perfect technique and my soul inside :) With yours help I will do it.

Now Im gona take a break with this song. And make some practice singing Aerosmith follow to Jonpalls tips to neutralize dopy sound.

Thank you again friends.

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You're almost there. I agree with what Jonpall said about the diction. There are spots where I would be uncertain of what you were singing if I didn't already know the words.

But I think everyone hears the enormous potential this has. It could be downright epic.

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dev,what a challenge!!

i've been working on this for a while....the hardest parts are all of it....lol!!!

it's tough to hold on to a connected full voice throughout that song. then in the chorus, he goes up a little higher yet on a few of those "i want" lines....even dropping it a half, it still calls for a lot.

i've done some mapping on this if this helps you:

i bolded a few at first assume the rest

ehnnn mah lahf

thehs behn haht aak en pehnn

ah doh no

if ah cahn fehc it ahgehn

cahn stahp nah

ah drahvehld so fah

dah chehng dis lohnleh lahf

this should make this part a lot easier

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In the "In my life" scentence - for the word "In", I'd personally use the I vowel and not the Eh vowel. I think it's closer to the original recording and sounds better to my ears. But then again, I haven't heard Bob do it so maybe I'm thinking he's doing something different from what he's really doing. Or I'm just plain wrong.

One of the things that seems to be helping me with tenor songs these days is to not open the mouth too much and sing at relatively medium volume (but with a high soft palate via a yawn - but still with twang).

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That's brilliant devaitis, well done. :)

The "dopey" sound people are complaining about, that is actually beautifully centered curbing. That's how it's supposed to sound in that part of the voice. In non-CVT terms.. you have found the resonance sweet spot for the type of sound you're using.

If I were to offer a tiny bit of advice (NOT critique), your vowels could be changed to ease production on the highest notes. Like "If I can face it again"... try directing it towards IH as in sit. For "Change this lonely life" - direct it towards O as in look. If that makes things any easier, please let me know! Otherwise just disregard.

Don't listen to anyone telling you to sound less dopy, it sounds great. Keep going man. Get comfortable with this sound before you try and change anything.

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