adam lambert's belting

[ast92]

hey guys can please tell wat techniques or modes (in cvt terms) adam lambert is using wen he belts

[darkclaw3000]

he really sticks out his tongue doesnt he....

about the belting, i think its edge, but he broaden his tongue that way, making it sound like that..

at least that's what I think.

i'll wait for a more expert review from the other more experienced members.

[ast92]

can the edge be that powerful at this note so he isnt pulling up chest?

[darkclaw3000]

the book does says Edge IS powerful.

3.38 - 3.42. i keep repeating that part, on a certain note when he goes higher, he's keeping the same sensation, but twanging it abit more.

BUT, after trying it out myself, trying my best to do what he did, curbing seems to be it for me..

if i'm not wrong, Ken Tamplin is his vocal teacher, so I'm guessing he is using ken's techniques. which, again if im not wrong, is the (from low to high pitch) Overdrive -> Curbing. as overdrive has a limit.

[jonpall]

Um, Ken Tamplin is not Adam Lambert's vocal coach and never was. And I don't think he's ever used CVT or KTVA.

[stew503]

Sorry if this doesn't answer the original question, but in addition to JP's reply and to something Ronws has posted in respect to talanted singers in future years, and also adds to something I have posted on differing thread.

...Likely one day a young 10 y/o (don't know how old he was though) called Adam, walked into Lynne Broyles' Kids Theatre Network (possibly others) and said - Hi, I want to sing and be famous. Feel free to Google KidsTheatre (apologies if this is outside of forum rules). Where he learnt a lot ... doing what he loved to do.

Lynne and her staff are gifted in the respect for what they do - and do it equally for everyone they take in. Applause goes to her and her staff for doing what she does.

Fortunate is the teacher who is the first to work with a singer. (Miller)

Stew

[darkclaw3000]

Um, Ken Tamplin is not Adam Lambert's vocal coach and never was. And I don't think he's ever used CVT or KTVA.

i was wrong then! =D

[ronws]

Two sources to confirm what Stew was saying.

First, Lynn Boyle's website, with pics of her and Adam.

http://www.kidstheatre.org/founder.asp

And mention of her on Adam's fansite.

http://www.adamlambertfansite.org/page/Adam+Lambert+Bio

[jonpall]

I think Adam's main modes for his high notes are curbing and MLN, but he uses them all, actually. Just like all good technical singers But perhaps if you could name the place in the song that you want to get a CVT mode analysis, I, or other people here, might be able to help you.

[devaitis]

Jonpall you dont like Ken Tamplin, do you?

[rofleren]

I've been listening to that video all day now! He sure is an awesome singer and performer!

[jonpall]

devaitis, that's not true. Where did you get that idea from? I just said that he's not Adam's coach. I actually think Ken's an amazing singer and I'm sure that his vocal program is very good. He sounded a bit strainy on some audio files I heard from a friend who owns the program, so I was wondering about that for a while. Right now I suspect that he kind of overdoes the cry/hold/cord compression on some of his exercises so people have to be careful. But lots of forum members here are using his program with great results, according to them. In some ways I think his approach might work better for some people than CVT. I f.ex. like Vendera's program a lot. I might even get Ken's program myself in the near future and try it out. I don't want to judge anyone without having looked at it thoroughly. Cheers.

[ast92]

thanks ppl so the last note he hit u think is in curbing

[ast92]

but its an eh vowel hw can it be curbing?

[analog]

ayad,

I also think it's Edge. BUT, and this is a big but, at High C and above I find that all sorts of mode blurring can occur...so it all gets very fuzzy to me(primarily because I only have a basic working knowledge of CVT.)

To me, it sounds very much like what Rob teaches. Listen specifically at 8:00:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wG3N8dJuM&feature=related

EDIT:

I found another great video that Rob has up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKKKbP3wZ_w&feature=related

Adam is singing from the same light and very twanged spot. He may have a tad more "chest" involvement, but it is coming from an extremely thinned out spot.

[darkclaw3000]

damn im so gettin 4pillars2.0 soon.........

[ast92]

glaad u told me that

now im sure with 4 pillars i can sing the style i want and darkclaw yea try to get 2.0 its really cool :D

[Jens]

Curbing for most parts the highest notes where he sticks out his tongue is mln(metallikeneutral) if hebwould be in overdrive or edge even powered curbing c5s sounds monstrous and screamy.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=SE#/watch?v=0ms13i6OZQ4

Listen to the highpart jee(curbing)seeeehh(overdrive)s and later when he Sings truuuuuhhh(curbing)Listen to how his palate lifts.

[analog]

Jens,

couldn't get your link to work?

Also, you think that last High C he hits at 4:04 is metal-like neutral? Wow. I don't hear that at all. Look how wide he gets and how much he has to open his mouth. Hell, I even thought it might be extremely light overdrive, but who the hell knows. I don't use modes anymore and it's been years since I took CVT lesson, but I remember Curbing and Edge(with a light sound color) were WAY lighter than I expected.

[Jens]

Search for heaven on their minds swedish theres à Guy called Patrick WHO Sings. Damn i hate My ipad the spelling program has gone nuts...

Edit:Adam lambert is in My analysis à curber but when he Sings open vowels or opens his Voice he goes into mln neutral. Kindo bad i cant share clips atm cause i can mimic That coordination he has on the higher stuffs in That video.

[jonpall]

Adam Lambert at 4:04 sounds like overdrive to me. Check out how open his mouth is. Normally curbing has a smaller mouth opening, not quite as "open" vowel, and MLN would have a thin, underlying quality, I can also hear an Eh vowel, which is pretty open and is an overdrive vowel. Perhaps it's not overdrive at full volume, though. It COULD be curbing or MLN, because that high up in pitch, the differences aren't that great. But like analog, I'm not using the CVT modes that much these days, except maybe when helping other people sing. Then it can come in handy to tell what people are doing wrong. However, there's a chance I might be taking a few CVT lessons or a whole course this fall :)

[Jens]

Jon pall, this is where we disagree remember the high C in overdrive is at the modes end. It requires alot more effort and is à heavyer coordination Than in That video.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=SE#/watch?v=8bDXf3i4CCo lets pray this link works. This is My idea of overdrive at high c. This is suite extreme since its somewhat dark in soundcolor and distorted but i think you get the idea how much ta there is active in this mode.

[jonpall]

Link doesn't work Jens. Btw. Martin has called out high overdrive notes from Adam Lambert several times on MSN. But you could be right. However, this is precisely why I think that thinking in terms of modes can hold you back - IF you use them too much to guess if singer X is using mode Y. They can be a useful tool for a vocal coach to help different students achieve all styles imaginable in singing, though. I'm starting to like using more general principles instead, but more on that later.

[Spectrum]

If you listen at 3:47, he's definitely in curbing (like most of the song) because it's restrained, but then he goes up to a higher note that's softer and less metallic, that's MLN. It's very different to the last note at 4:04, which I'm sure is edge, because overdrive would have more actual volume (as opposed to amplified volume).

Edit: Here is Jens' link fixed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bDXf3i4CCo

[anonimuzz]

This is Jens' link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bDXf3i4CCo

I'm the link-saver.