jonpall Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 *Edit: If there is a question in this thread, it's this: If you want to be able to sing songs with lots of high notes (E4-E5 or so for men, i.e. the tenor range) AND RASP on top of it, how do you train for it? Do you think it's enough to do lots of sirens and scales from programs like Tamplin, Lunte, Vendera or Lugo, or would you recommend doing any specific rasp exercises also. Finally, how much time do you spend working on actual songs?* I just recorded myself training high pitch raspy vocals in the style of Brian Johson, Rob Halford, Axl Rose, Steven Tyler, Bon Jovi and David Coverdale, on my mobile phone, and I thought I'd share it with you for the fun of it. Perhaps it will be helpful for someone out there who is experimenting with this stuff. Note that the sound I'm going for here is VERY distorted. Kind of like a very pissed off Brian Johnson from the early days. So if you're looking for a slightly bluesy, soulful rasp, I'm not really doing that in these clips (although I do a couple of low rasp phrases in there somewhere which don't sound quite as agressive). So this is ugly and mean. Just what I want for heavy metal vocals . This is just ONE method of training how to sing high, raspy songs and it has worked well for me in the past. It's a method I sort of created myself but was inspired by the CVT way of training bits and pieces of songs. I'm sure LOTS of people are doing very similar things. If anyone wants to know the details of how this training method works, just give me a call and I'll hook up an insanely expensive Skype lesson for ya in which I'll share all the details. Just kidding. But there are lots of small, helpful details to this shit. I almost didn't post these clips. And I might take them down in a few days, I don't know. Why? Because I was sick the day when this was recorded (yesterday). I had cold and could barely speak when I woke up. You can hear the first sign of it when I can't connect perfectly in an early siren. And later when I don't hit some pitches perfectly. But just before I did these exercises, I got back to maybe 90% of my voice. I warmed up several times during the day to gradually get my voice back and when I finally did the raspy exercises in the clips below, I made sure that this never, ever hurt my throat. And that was key - this NEVER hurt my throat. That's why I could go on for quite a while like this. Also, I've been singing pure clean, Journey like songs for the past few months so I'd partly forgotten how to do high rasp (here's an a capella version of my training Don't stop believing on my mobile phone if you're interested in what I've doing almost entirely recently: http://www.box.net/shared/qv7xbv88317hzldup8vf). But I'm still kind of happy with the tone I'm getting on many parts here. So ... when you listen to this, bare in mind that I make MANY mistakes. That's why I almost didn't post this. But then I thought - these clips kind of sound like me a while back when I was first learning how to do high rasp. I wasn't doing it perfectly, but whenever I did a mistake, I did it again until I could do it, as long as my throat didn't hurt. And I think this might be slightly cool because no vocal programs out there ever let you hear BEGINNERS do a sub-perfect version of the exercises. So I sacrifice myself here, in a way, knowing that some of you might think this simply sucks! But, again, I think that if I DIDN'T do any mistakes, you wouldn't get a good idea how this method works. Here's one of the most important secrets to it: Whenever I make a mistake, I do the same phrase again. Perhaps a couple of times. If that doesn't work, I do the same phrase but substitute the words with simple vowels. Then when that works, I go back to the words. If the vowels don't even work - I step back even further and maybe lower the pitch or the volume or something. I might even have to "roll back" all the way to simple lip rolls. And whenever I'm doing well with an exercise I move fairly quickly to a more complex exercise - in the direction of the actual SONG (or the part of it) ... until I'm sing the song itself. Also, just for rasp, I find it very helpful to do TONS of sirens and then put rasp on top of the highest notes - keeping a relaxed throat all the time. High rasp just needs a lot of time to really sink into your muscle memory, I think. So here it is. The song I'm training is AC/DC's "Who made who": http://www.box.net/shared/jbveamj9pqc44h525dy4 http://www.box.net/shared/8986bgzjnjkt5p5ipkm3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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