Who knew - Stinkin Park - Rolling in the deep / Feedback please

[Oliver]

SO I decided to start practicing REGULARLY, first time I warmed up right and singing was more comfortable. I never had lessons and am still a begginer.

I think I sung to much focusing on power and too little on emotion. My microphone is a shurePG48 so not the best audio quality. ANY input is apreciated as I need motivation to keep going.

Pink's who knew, fun fact - went world wide double paltinum for selling over 4 million copies, and was on the billboard top 100 for 38 weeks. Pink is to me one of the best vocalsits skill wise.

http://soundcloud.com/linkinpark87/who-knew

This used to be my fav band as teen, melodic and well... emotional / angry. Song of their 3rd album, they always go gold and platinum with every album, popular all around the world. Linkin Park the Stinkin was just as an eyecatcher.

http://soundcloud.com/linkinpark87/in-pieces-1

Here is Adeles big hit Rolling in the deep, what more to say it was #1 at the billboard top 100.

http://soundcloud.com/linkinpark87/rolling-in-the-deep-1

Don't smash be to much with your critics I'm learning.

Edit : now listening to it sounds very well robotic and kinda choppy not flowing, along with me not having knowledge of singing technique generaly but well, I'm young and a year has 365 days to practice

However In pieces was ok, so I take form this that songs I sung more often are better, I sung this song for fun like 3 years ago and I guess it kind of settled down in my mind.

[Oliver]

Here I sung Because of You by Clarckson with emotion and it sounds better much less forced. Question : why isn't there a bigger forum about singing ? This one doesn't have much traffic

http://soundcloud.com/linkinpark87/because-of-you

Jessie J - Like a dude

http://soundcloud.com/linkinpark87/do-it-like-a-dude

I guess I sing better without pressure, cause these 2 last ones I didn't even intend to put here. Sing sing sing and sing some more but now my vocie si tired so sing tomorrow again. And my brother came into the room and I sang in his face cause he always tries to ... tease / insult me so I def can say I have more motivation singing when a ral life person is near more focus and energy, alon it's not optimal but well well it's all on us to get things right.

So my conclusion for today is to feel the music and enjoy it instead of forcing yourself to try sing it corectly and end up being all robotic and uptight.

[ronws]

First off, Oliver, most of us have jobs we have to go to and work. So, we don't have all day. Second, just because someone doesn't comment doesn;t mean that what you did was wrong, or good, for that matter. Life happens.

I think it's interesting that all of your submissions have the same melody.

I could certainly suggest Lunte's 4 Pillars 2.0. If you don't have the money, youtube singing success, kevin richards, seth riggs. These will give you some basics to get you started.

[Oliver]

First off, Oliver, most of us have jobs we have to go to and work. So, we don't have all day. Second, just because someone doesn't comment doesn;t mean that what you did was wrong, or good, for that matter. Life happens.

I think it's interesting that all of your submissions have the same melody.

I could certainly suggest Lunte's 4 Pillars 2.0. If you don't have the money, youtube singing success, kevin richards, seth riggs. These will give you some basics to get you started.

So now you're being offensive cause I stated the truth that this forum has little trafic ? For example sherdog forums you make a thread get a reply in under 5 minutes 90 % of the time, they got over 200 000 members. It's just that there aren't many people on here, I didn't complain that people are lazy or something like that, just observed that there is relatively little action here compared to bigger internet forums.

All have the same melody ? Ok I see you had a bad day and are just being mean, those are 5 different songs and obviously have not the same melody but you are being rude because I called your favorite forum small.

And yes I'm curently checking youtube out and I'm not that broke just can't afford these super expansive singing lessons near my town.

EDIT : if you only listened to the first 3 songs then we'll they do suck, but the last two are pretty good considering I sung them.

[Asim]

First off, Oliver, most of us have jobs we have to go to and work. So, we don't have all day. Second, just because someone doesn't comment doesn;t mean that what you did was wrong, or good, for that matter. Life happens.

I think it's interesting that all of your submissions have the same melody.

I could certainly suggest Lunte's 4 Pillars 2.0. If you don't have the money, youtube singing success, kevin richards, seth riggs. These will give you some basics to get you started.

I highly doubt ron was intending on causing offense, he was just stating some facts. Between our posts and time on this site, I would say I am much less attached to this forum than him but I still agree with the points he made.

What he means by all of the songs having the same melody is that you did not really differentiate between the notes of each song. They sound kind of samey, especially the first three. My advice would be to first listen to the song, then listen for how you would emulate the melodies. Maybe lower songs would be apt for you until you increase your range.

Amongst the stuff ron recommended, I had the most success with Pillars. It is the best at increasing range.

[ronws]

I get up at 4 am (I'm old and it takes me a while to get agile and mobile) so that I can leave the house by 5 and get to work by 6 am. And I am there until at least 4 pm. By the time I get home from that and the grocery store, and feeding the dog, and working on my singing, and taking a shower and doing the dishes and prepping dinner, I might have an hour to look on line, which often includes some last minute work emails, checking my own emails, as well as checking out this forum.

And perhaps I phrased something the wrong way but Asim is right, re-connect with the melody of the song. I don't care if you have a lot of money, or not, I just wanted you to look at some ideas about breath management, relating notes to each other in a scale, and singing more legato than how one speaks a sentence.

Ask anyone, I am the biggest cheerleader here. I want to see you do well, as do others here.

So, to be completely plain, I think your main problem is singing like you speak. You have to stop that. Singing requires a more consistent breath flow and phonation (making of a sound.) In speaking, people sometimes punctuate with changing breath pressure. In singing, you punctuate with your lips.

So, breathe in and breathe out from the belly. Make a sound and hold that sound for 10 seconds. Then, increase it to 20 seconds. Speaking often emphasizes consonants. Singing is the opposite. In singing, you sing on the vowel and the consonants are weak and quick.

Feel the note, regardless of what it is, ringing in your head.

Valla con Dios, Muchacho.

[Quincy]

Great post Ron.

[Oliver]

I get up at 4 am (I'm old and it takes me a while to get agile and mobile) so that I can leave the house by 5 and get to work by 6 am. And I am there until at least 4 pm. By the time I get home from that and the grocery store, and feeding the dog, and working on my singing, and taking a shower and doing the dishes and prepping dinner, I might have an hour to look on line, which often includes some last minute work emails, checking my own emails, as well as checking out this forum.

And perhaps I phrased something the wrong way but Asim is right, re-connect with the melody of the song. I don't care if you have a lot of money, or not, I just wanted you to look at some ideas about breath management, relating notes to each other in a scale, and singing more legato than how one speaks a sentence.

Ask anyone, I am the biggest cheerleader here. I want to see you do well, as do others here.

So, to be completely plain, I think your main problem is singing like you speak. You have to stop that. Singing requires a more consistent breath flow and phonation (making of a sound.) In speaking, people sometimes punctuate with changing breath pressure. In singing, you punctuate with your lips.

So, breathe in and breathe out from the belly. Make a sound and hold that sound for 10 seconds. Then, increase it to 20 seconds. Speaking often emphasizes consonants. Singing is the opposite. In singing, you sing on the vowel and the consonants are weak and quick.

Feel the note, regardless of what it is, ringing in your head.

Valla con Dios, Muchacho.

Great point, I actualy also rap so that might be the reason. I'm really glad that this didn't turn into a flame war.

Yeah seems there is no other way around then to learn the specifics of singing, even though it's kinda complicated but everything has it's price. Eventualy I will get lessons but I can't wait for months till I get the job. Seems singing is almost more about knowledge then jsut practice, singing songs down is not the best practice. Technique seems to be key.

I'm such a f@g being on facebook for 3 hours daily doing bs instead of reading a book bout singing. See I really apreciate your advices nobody ownes me anything it was just me wondering how singing doesn't have a big forum, I mean mma (cagefighting, ufc) has a huge forum with instant replies and we here gotta wait a whole day. I guess people like to listen to music but much less to try make it.

So next destination getting a book bout singing, maybe I can find the one you recomended on e-bay for cheaps, lol I sound like an African farmer so broooke lolz.

I almost thought I was gonna get flammed end eventualy banned heh.

Also I sleep like literary 11 hours everyday, it is partialy a medical reason partialy just crappy lifestyle habbits, all the things I could get done if I slept only 8.30 hours .

I see life is all abotu knowledge, knowledge is power. I always make nutrition and combat sport or bodybuidling anaolgies to understand other subjects, but obviously it's not a good thing to push yourself with power till your voice is tired and sore, it's not like a phisical wokrout.

If i was as knowledgable abotu singing technique like I am abotu starcraft or Hmm3 I would be pretty far right now. At least I'm a great songwriters (IMO only of course) and have been reading the charts for the last + 10 years so I know what a hit is, just my vocals suck but hey I got like 18 months to improve them enough.

I need to make learning singing my adiction / habbit instead of internet browsing / facebook, I always get dumb habbits, at least I'm not adicted anymore to sherdog forums and videogames or thinknig about nutrition. / Big ass rant

[ronws]

Cheapest I can tell you is "Resonance in singing and speaking" by Thomas Fillebrown, from Amazon.com, also available on Kindle . And, "The Tenor Voice" by Anthony Frisell, also at Amazon and available on Kindle. Those are some really good places to start. The Frisell book costs about $9 USD.

And no need for flame wars. A misunderstanding is just a misunderstanding. Everyone here, including myself, is all about the singing and helping each other as best we can, when we can.