Martin H Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 But where are you??? If this is so a great method you should be able to knock it right?? OR??? POST A CLIP OF YOURSELF!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Martin, like i said i can put up a some songs but you wont be hearing the "finished product" yet in terms of where my head voice is at. this could give a jaded view about SLS i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 haha robert, no one is making me defend SLS haha, i do it because it gets a lot of unfair criticism around these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I don't care Centre! Just post!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 i know you dont care martin but i do :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Hi Centre, is the audio clip "Belt" of you? What would interest me is learning to take that belted note and then transition it into a softer volume without flipping into falsetto. Controlling the dynamics is what I'm saying I guess. I can belt that same note and sound pretty much the same as the example but I'm also curious to hear how to ascend in pitch on a 5 note scale in that belty tone or even a slide up in pitch. I have the hardest time transitioning from my belty chest into that powerful Bruce dickinson type head tone. somewhere along the way it gets to be in my throat and I want to keep that full chest sound but can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Just a little post, you talk too much ,Centre;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 i know you dont care martin but i do Honestly Centre, it would be really helpful to newbies like me to hear some different samples from everyone, yourself included. I've posted some God awful vocal clips of myself in the hopes of being corrected. We all are aware that singing a song is much different from vocalizing but that's why we're all posting here. We're all passionate about improving and learning. It's not a pissing contest or at least it shouldn't become one. I can probably belt louder than most people but it doesn't mean a whole lot within the context of a song. The average listener probably thinks I have a decent voice but I only hear and feel my limitations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Just a little post, you talk too much ,Centre;) Guys, some of you are making it a very intimidating environment to post in. I'm sure the second Centre does post anything it will be jumped all over and judged. I'd like it if everyone felt comfortable posting examples since I have found so many of them incredibly helpful in my own quest to improve. I'm missing out on some potentially beneficial advice because he's getting pressured to post to "prove himself." In all the years I've been singing (over 20 now) I'd NEVER allow anyone to hear me just making sounds or singing when I felt I wasn't at my best. Since seeing and hearing some of the clips posted of others being vulnerable I've been able to overcome my own insecurities and share my own clips. That's the only way I'm going to lear right? But if anyone had pressured me into it I'd have never posted out of s fear of being ridiculed or judged harshly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 " The average listener probably thinks I have a decent voice but I only hear and feel my limitations." most of us do snax, unless we has are heads stuck up are...... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Just a little post, you talk too much ,Centre;) steven talks a lot too. never heard him sing. does this mean i dont think he gives sound advice and information. no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 " The average listener probably thinks I have a decent voice but I only hear and feel my limitations." most of us do snax, unless we has are heads stuck up are...... I often wonder of other famous singers wished they sounded like someone else. Like imagine the great Steve Perry being all disappointed that he can't get that Ronnie James Dio tone! My own nautral singing voice is probably very similar to Michael Sweet from Stryper but i fought tooth and nail to stop singing in that pure tone and I always wanted to be Dio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 not only a good singer, but a good, level headed guy also! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 And let's not forget my fabulous HAIR!!! LMAO!!! Seriously though, posting ourselves when we are not performing at a level we feel comfortable sharing is scary as hell. The supportive nature of this forum is what convinced me to do it. Let's keep that spirit alive shall we? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 thats the thing. theres already a Dio but theres only one snax! i think when someone is being "themselves" is when the voice sounds best. its cool to have influences but you have to find your own voice too. doesnt mean you cant play around with it. just play around with it from your perspective, from your tone. if you sound like michael sweet instead of dio thats fine. there are plenty of sweet fans. doent mean you cant make things (technique) better just means instead of thinking i wanna sound just like dio, you think i gonna sound like a kick arse version of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 In that case I'd like to add some grit to my tone especially in my upper register. I believe that Robert Lunte's methods should help me attain that. It's an advanced technique and I'm far from being a technically advanced singer but I'm willing to put in the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Well you can all hear my voice on my page and in the review my vocalsforum, and you have heard me martin... And you know I have trained alot of SS and similar techniques... SLS is a great foundation and is great for rocksinging! You guys want him to show a rocktone from a SLS technique, it's not that hard just whine a little extra to get an edgyer sound... It's not an impossible task with that technique... The focus of the SLS technique is the mixvoice and it's used quite a deal within the rockgenre... Most powermetal singers sing in a connected mixvoice, and if your not into screaming SLS would be a good option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Well you can all hear my voice on my page and in the review my vocalsforum, and you have heard me martin... And you know I have trained alot of SS and similar techniques... SLS is a great foundation and is great for rocksinging! You guys want him to show a rocktone from a SLS technique, it's not that hard just whine a little extra to get an edgyer sound... It's not an impossible task with that technique... The focus of the SLS technique is the mixvoice and it's used quite a deal within the rockgenre... Most powermetal singers sing in a connected mixvoice, and if your not into screaming SLS would be a good option... agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted September 14, 2009 Administrator Share Posted September 14, 2009 Lets not pick on Centre. He is an important member of our community and posts great content and has done great things regarding microphones and defending SLS ideas. Please post vocal sample of SLS configuration, creating a convincing rock/metal head tone. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted September 14, 2009 Administrator Share Posted September 14, 2009 Well you can all hear my voice on my page and in the review my vocalsforum, and you have heard me martin... And you know I have trained alot of SS and similar techniques... SLS is a great foundation and is great for rocksinging! You guys want him to show a rocktone from a SLS technique, it's not that hard just whine a little extra to get an edgyer sound... It's not an impossible task with that technique... The focus of the SLS technique is the mixvoice and it's used quite a deal within the rockgenre... Most powermetal singers sing in a connected mixvoice, and if your not into screaming SLS would be a good option... Jens, please define "mixed voice", what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Listen to the clip instead and you can hear me use "mixedvoice" all the time, some falsettos are thrown in here and there one just in start when you say a prayer "falsetto" That prayer is me"mixedvoice" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eQPym-_x8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snax Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 There are some really good strong tones in parts of that clip Jens! I'm not keen on the falsetto bits personally and there were some pitch issues here and there. Overall I think you had a wicked rock tone once you were belting! Nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Thanks! yeah i guess i have to work on my pitch a bit ... There is no "belting" in that clip by the way. Belting is when you pull chest very high up, the voice is very fullmetallic, in CVT they call this Overdrive and it can sometimes be referred to the mode edge. What im doing here is a halfmetallic mode, mixedvoice, curbing with added effect. and up on the hightops rockfalsetto,head,metallikeneutral. what martin did earlyer in this thread is a more suitable sound to call "belting". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Robert i assume you realise that a lot of what you have written is quite scandalous! " This is what I have been trying to say. They force one configuration and one value set onto everyone and refuse to adapt and update their pedagogy. They are totally missing the innovation around vocal modes, qualities and understanding the physiology of the larynx and how that changes the acoustics. Its simply out dated and needs to be revamped!" only when your trying to get foundation and maybe get rid of , relpace bad habits do you have to stick rigidly to the formula. this formula tends to work pretty well. a lot of the concepts certainty did for the bel canto singers 300 years ago. if it aint broke, why fix it? but on saying this as far as i know Seth and the teachers in the SLS world are always coming up with new ideas and exercises but there only ones that reinforce what already works. "Then they force their teachers to force their students (centre) to defend it under ANY circumstance. Apart from the pedagogy that needs to be updated, there is a culture of "everyone else is wrong and we are right" and "do not consider any other ideas" in SLS. 20 years ago, that worked... today... no one is buying it anymore, other then their students that are drinking the cool-aid and the teachers that simply want to use the "certification" system to help market their business and get more students. " like i said i had to laugh at your notion that i had been asked to defend SLS. im also i little offended as well actually. just about EVERY SINGLE school of technique has a bit of "everyone else is wrong and we are right" attitude to it, yours included. students and teachers like SLS because it works for them. often teachers get into to teaching it because it has helped them selves so much in their own singing. "SLS is a LOT about marketing and maintaining the 5 level licensing pyramid system that insures that Seth and his heir apparent continue to get paid great gobs of money from licensing fees. If you dont pay the fee, they pull your certificate and you cant use their branding. I know people that spent 20 years dedicated to Seth and SLS and when they left the organization and simply said, "I studied with Seth Riggs" in their resumes... they were sued. You have to PAY to be able to use their brand and logo and if you spent 20 years dedicated to it and then decide to leave, you are sued for mentioning anything about it." the certification process is there so a standard is maintained. there are too many people out there who read a book, have a lesson or two and think they know whats its about. they do NOT! alternatively there are those individuals that have been in the organisation for sometime and either start to think they know better and want to start doing things there way ( and if "there way" is an inferior version of SLS or even worse buggers some ones voice up, seth doesnt want to have an association to them) or their ego wants some recognition. they dont want to be a smaller fish in the SLS world they want to be the big, fantastic maestro all in their own right. imagine how you would feel if you saw someone you felt had inferior technique quoting "Robert Lunte" and "The Vocalist Studio" all over the place. you wouldnt want anything to do with them! "When you point out that this neutral configuration is not going to work for some artists that need more cut and amplification... they say, "We trained Ozzy Osbourne"... its totally lame. Not only is Ozzy Osbourne NOT a great example of incredible vocal technique, ... Ozzy was never his long term student. SLS also is really big on name dropping... they coach one celebrity singer or give a couple coaching tips back stage somewhere and then all of a sudden you see it in all their marketing, "we taught this person. this person is an SLS singer". no, i have already explained for the XX time that they will include different configurations in the style process with an artist if they want. they just try to get it to be as free and easy feeling for the artist as possible. funnily enough its usually easier when the different configuration is nearer the standard SLS one. yes i admit that their is a lot of name dropping in SLS but often these artists will give their endorsements very freely because it has helped them so much. some of the biggest names on those lists are not people that have had a few tips backstage they have been students for years sometimes decades. did you know that michael jackson had been studying with seth for 32 years! when he did have a break from seth he went and buggered his voice up on tour!! yes their are not massive amounts of rockers on that list. paul stanley, vine neil, singer from linken park, singer from evanescence, singer from red hot chilli peppers and such. fair enough there are no progressive, heavy power metal dudes. most of those type of singers feel a bit intimidated by singing lessons "hey man i dont wanna lose my style" and such. if they go for lessons they feel much more comfortable with something that is marketed towards metal/rock such as your stuff or jamies v´s work without realising they might also benefit from other techniques that are not marketed this way. "Sadly, there is some good pedagogy in SLS to be sure, but they are ruining it by not being adaptive, updating the pedagogy, pride, arrogance and greed!" robert, you would give your right ball to have an organization like that of SLS. so dont knock something you are trying to create yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentreOfTheUniverse Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Jens, please define "mixed voice", what is it? ah man that one again in a nutshell. not all the resonance is coming from the just from the throat and out the mouth as in chest voice, instead some resonance is starting t creep up behind the soft palette as well. this a mix of chest and head resonance. mixed voice. maybe scientifically its a load of cobblers but thats what it tends to feel like. its like a feeling of lightening up on chest voice (vocal weight, not power) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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