Billy Budapest Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Hi, so I have Frissells tenor voice book and also his Singingnon the Breathflow book, which quite honestly are very much alike. I find his approach, that of bringing the head voice down to the chest voice super refreshing and very straight forward. Last summer I experimented a lot with it and it definitely seemed to make things easier on the top end, almost effortless sometimes. A few questions I had... To those of you doing this, did you find that your voice started to "wobble" in spots? I noticed that in some spots, it would do this and I had this feeling of a tightrope walker moving back and forth on the wire trying not to teeter off. The voice never crapped out or anything, but there was this super fast vibrato and I barely felt like I had control of the voice. I too have the kindle addition and the illustrations are a bit hosed. Has anybody made themselves an audio file to do the messa divoce stuff? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 The wobble is down near where you start sing the lower tones, right? That's part of the work he deals with in working on each note in the passaggio area, where the temptation is to let the controls of head voice cede dominance to the chest voice controls. So, backing off the weight and the air pressure as you descend helps to keep from yodeling. But he does expect the student to spend quite some time getting through that transition area. My own highly inaccurate image of it is that on high, you are connected and solid, go low is going "falsetto," so to speak, in that you are reducing the push and the closed quotient as you go lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Budapest Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 Hi Ron , It didn't feel like falsetto, it was solid chest, but upper chest and it was such a weird feeling no control... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 i had two back-to-back lessons with him this week. in a word....fabulous! i got a bunch of things finally confirmed too. he is a great guy, an older gentleman with a lot of wisdom. which exercise were you having trouble with? and at what part of the voice...high or low? on all of the preliminary exercises he stressed so emphatically don't connect any chest. you have to be very patient and eventually the chest tries to meet up with head all by itself. i'm just starting to feel it now on lower notes and it's awesome....fabulous! he's working on a new book. my homework is oo and ee, descending slides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Listen to Bob. He is getting it right from the author's mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Budapest Posted December 31, 2011 Author Share Posted December 31, 2011 i had two back-to-back lessons with him this week. in a word....fabulous! i got a bunch of things finally confirmed too. he is a great guy, an older gentleman with a lot of wisdom. which exercise were you having trouble with? and at what part of the voice...high or low? on all of the preliminary exercises he stressed so emphatically don't connect any chest. you have to be very patient and eventually the chest tries to meet up with head all by itself. i'm just starting to feel it now on lower notes and it's awesome....fabulous! he's working on a new book. my homework is oo and ee, descending slides. VERY COOL. Envious for sure. I was going through both books for a few weeks, but doing gigs at the same time. His approach crept into my live singing making a lot of things much easier. But on higher notes of chest, is where that wobble came in. I believe where I noticed it the most was the G above middle C. At the same time, or right after, I got the cvt book and started to get into that. I will definitely be getting back to Frissell's approach. I think the wobble gave me pause, so I thought I was doing something wrong even though his books mention it. Great for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 the beauty of frisell's method is you get to wallow around in a heady "soprano-ish" place and as time goes on you get thicker up high and the oo vowel carves out a pathway from chest to head. hard to explain, but it's helped me punch out some powerful high notes like in this song which i can sing, which i couldn't before without constricting and running out of breath. with this song you have to sing it the opposite of what it sounds like or you'll fall flat on your face....lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 Amen, brother Bob. I could see it before and I am glad you can see it now, too. And, as Frisell says in the book. you are going to make some odd sounds and sounds you don't particularly care for, in the beginning. But as the voice retrains, you get back what you thought you "lost." Only now, you have "it" up where you have wanted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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