devaitis Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I am deeply interested if any of you guys get around to singing this song. I have no idea how to hit the notes and make the sound really powerful. There are couple of professional singers who are able to sing that ...Pineda, Walker (Au Idol) or Bryan (YT puppyjlo ). Not many though I recorded very very very weak clip of this song to demonstrate where my problem is. Any tips or advice? http://www.box.com/s/sflijkgp96se1dq0b696 If I sing it good some day I will refresh the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugulator Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 You're right. Though your voice sounds good enough, this song requires a more powerful tone. Do you open up your throat wide enough? I mean the soft palate first. Second. Do you push down your diaphragm while singing? Is there a feeling that you're holding the sound back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaitis Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thanks for reply. Do you open up your throat wide enough? I mean the soft palate first I don't know how to figure it out. Is there any feeling that determine the throat is opened enough? Do you push down your diaphragm while singing? Yes. Especially on lower notes. Is there a feeling that you're holding the sound back? Yes. Lower notes again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugulator Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I don't know how to figure it out. Is there any feeling that determine the throat is opened enough? It's like when you smiling. The soft palate will go up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 i sing that song and it is a belting, wailing, challenge. before you even go near singing it, you need to really be warmed up and the throat needs to be wide open. if you look for live recordings on youtube you will see that live it was a struggle for everyone who sang it. don't be afraid to lower it a half or even a full step. the way i sing it is to apply a "pulsing" mentality without forcing or pushing. hard to explain. this song requires a lot of support. the chest register is very much involved and it is sung loudly and powerfully. use your whole body to sing it. if you lose breath tension and fold compression anywhere along the song, you'll have a hard time recovering. but one very important thing you need to be aware of is your vowels, how you modify the vowels, and how little you want to move your mouth to pronounce the vowels when you're up high. what helped me a lot was trying for a punchy, stacatto approach to the song very much like the music. you'll find your breathing needs to be spot on too...in terms of fitting quick, efficient inhales in between the short phrases to keep the song energy up. Good luck. that one done well is a major crowd pleaser. you'll get free drink offers if you nail that one....lol!!! oh, one more thing "don't sing an "eye" (dipthong) for "eye of the tiger." try to vowel shade to an "eh." the "eh" will help lift and launch the c5 easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaitis Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Thanks Bob. Helpful advice. Very challenging song. One thing from me, If you compare the Dave Bickler-version and this version you can hear it's a big difference between the voices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 yes, bickler's voice was a little lighter than jamison's. i read an interview where jamison tells how he agonized over that c5 and missed it many times live, than he nailed it. then he said he consulted a vocal coach and the vocal coach helped him with it. your whole body has to get involved to sing that song. here's dave now, a lot lower....i hope (actually i pray) as i get older i can hold up....i'm 2 years away from 60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I can get through the first verse to the first chorus, but then I get real tired and my throat constricts and its over. Same affect when I sing separate ways.. I do not know why that is. Prolly cause I push chest up as far as I can then have trouble switcing to head. Haven't spent much time trying to figure it out as I stay away from songs that do that to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaitis Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 i'm 2 years away from 60 He, I remember that you said you started singing at the age of 57. I'm 24 now. It's fascinating how music (singing in this case) connects people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaitis Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 Haven't spent much time trying to figure it out as I stay away from songs that do that to me. Mistake. I know it is really hard to sing this song. But I have practiced "Eye of the Tiger" from the begging. I have never had a thought to pull up chest here, fortunately. But I did a great progress because I didn't give up, and this song really shows how good or bad singer you are. Here is my clip when I started to sing this song, it comes from 11/9/2010 http://www.box.com/s/h5l3zezzy3jejft3alo6 My today's effort I put in the first post. I hope I will be able to sing it professionally some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 What a difference ! Wow.. Ok, I'll keep trying lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 He, I remember that you said you started singing at the age of 57. I'm 24 now. It's fascinating how music (singing in this case) connects people. actually i've been singing since i was 18, but never trained the voice till 2 years ago. i regret not starting years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 singing eye of the tiger has a lot to do with psyching yourself up to sing it. it's a real involvement kind of song. very much like a foreigner song. if i feel tired or lethargic (like i do today) i know i need to get psyched up or it won't have the punch and the energy behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think you should focus more on improving your accent than trying increase power in those high notes. I think that with a more relaxed throat and more centered vowels, the power will come. Trying push for more power could make everything WORSE for you. My 5 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devaitis Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 Thanks Jonpall Interesting post. More precision, less tensions. Good path. I like it. Valuable 5 cants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 jonpall, yes, you don't want to push, but you want to intensify. i've been reading frisell's book, and he states that one of the goals for a tenor voice, is to strengthen the muscles of the vocal registers so that they can assist the vocal folds to tolerate increasing amounts of breath tension. i think this aspect of training is ofter overlooked...the pressurization of the breath stream and the strength to resist the pressure. he also says that a lyric voice may need only 1/2 the amount of breath tension as a bigger voice would to produce the same pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Bob I think it's also important to setup your throat (tongue, larynx, twang, lips, jaw, etc.) in an optimal way for highly energetic vocals. Then it becomes less about strength and more about accuracy and muscle memory (although both are important). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 absolutely, no question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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