Zion1744 Posted April 11, 2012 Share Posted April 11, 2012 Do the pros know "Everything" about singing. Is it just natural talent or is it research or both? Examples? I have a few lead singers of my own that I question all the time. Matt Tuck, bullet for my valentine - Didn't he ruin his voice and had to get vocal surgery because of his methods. Is this typical for singers in the genre, i know plenty older guys like the lead vocalist from As I Lay Dying that are still kickin' it and are strong with screams. Also does matt tuck, judging by the songs he sings, sing in head voice? Is his voice just straight up chest or is it like a mix. To get a good professional sound does one have to master singing to sound like that? I'm asking about this because my friend told me i'm wasting my time doing all this research because it's not like our band will be learning anything like skid row any time soon, so head voice, in our band anyways, is useless?? Escape the Fate, Craig Mabbit - Another talented singer/screamer, in my opinion, that has been doing it for years and sound as healthy/clean as ever. If you have heard any of their songs you'll know what I mean by his cleans and he hits some pretty high notes too! If you search him on youtube look for a few songs like This War Is Ours. I'm pretty sure that song has some notes that aren't in chest. Does that mean they're in head voice? I love this band and i'm looking forward to learning a few songs by them. They had a previous singer, his name was Ronnie, he was talented and had a very unique sound. Was this due to him over stressing his voice? Do people actually sound like that naturally? My example on a song would be Situations - ETF or Reverse This Curse - ETF. Search these songs and tell me what you think of the vocals. Is it unhealthy to try to sound like him if doing a cover? "One last chance to reverse this curse." The "One" lyrics is pretty high in the chorus. Is that in the head voice register or is he singing that in chest. I try to sing that and i'm definitely doing it in chest and it's quite a strain and sounds unhealthy. So, i quit doing it. Avenged Sevenfold, The talented "M Shadows" - He has a very unique sound as well and I believe it to be one of the most natural out of all the metal singers i've ever heard.. I love everything about his vocals, his highs, his lows, his screams, anything he does is great. Why? I have no idea. I was hoping for a little more clarity on his sound as well. I know in chapter four - A7X, there are some pretty high notes, especially if you're trying to sing them in chest voice. My friend sings this and he gets this sound in his throat like a goat when he sings the really high notes towards the end of the song ummm at about 5:21 I think the word is wall? Anyways, it's high and challenging to sing in chest and it doesn't sound like head voice. I heard them do this song live and it always has such power, can you hit a note in head voice with that kind of distortion/power night after night on tour and not have damage? Oh and something I need to clarify, when I say "you" I mean the average joe. I want to know if it's something you can learn or something you're born with. Can naturally born vocal chords do this job the same, i know head tones and sinuses and all that good stuff make up a sound which is why we sound different. And there are different learning abilities between other people but shouldn't everyone be able to physically sing the same. That is unless said person's vocal chords were stronger/mutated or damaged in some way. Three Days Grace, Adam Gontier - He has this same sound, raspiness as well as being able to sing high and have it sound like chest. Especially on albums, his vocals and distortion on albums are so much better on albums then they are live. Is that just effects? I've seen him live as well, he is phenomenal and it surprises me that he still has a voice, it must be very strong or he must be using a technique of some sort? Does anybody on here know what this is? A name for it or maybe an article that talks about it. Journey, Steve Perry - I am in love with this man's voice. It is astonishes how much control he has and the tone he has while he sings. I know this is natural talent but did he have lessons to show him how to control this? How long does it take a person to master his/her voice this well. His sound is soooo clean and powerful. Normally I listen to metal, I love metal, it's my kind of music. I don't usually listen to older stuff like Led Zepplin or even AC/DC. But Journey, this is my exception due to his ability and sound quality. Lately, HE has been my inspiration for head voice. I listen to metal all the time and i'm used to this powerful chesty like tone, a grungy quality of music. Steve Perry I know sings in head voice because i've been told he does and you can't hit notes that high without singing in head voice right?? I also wonder if a singer like Craig Mabbitt from ETF could sing a song like Steve Perry? Obviously it wouldn't be exact replica but I know Craig has a really clean sound as well as Steve Perry. I wonder if A "pro" like Craig could even try to amount to somebody like Steve Perry. It's those Classics that people always say nobody can cover and make it sound perfect because the artist does it best. My examples are songs like Stairway to Heaven, Don't Stop Believing, Freebird, etc. Songs like this are always said to be PERFECT. What about more modern day masterpieces? People never consider modern day metal as masterpieces because it's a common misconception that anybody can cover it. A good example of a newer masterpiece, in my opinion, is Nightmare - A7X. If this principle still stands for any classics it should stand for a song like this. It's a great song and I think people should appreciate metal more than "people" do. I'm just saying this as a stereotype because there are so many people out there that think metal is just a bunch of idiots on stage screaming and head banging like there's no talent in it.. Back on topic! The main reason i created this, if you even read through it, was to see what you think of the pros. Can anybody do it? Is there something in each individual singer that sets them apart from everybody else? Can there be a person born with almost an identical voice as somebody else? I hear cover bands and even then they don't sound exactly like the singer, if you've heard one please post a link. I'd love to hear it! I also wonder for my own sake, i love my own sound, no matter what it is. I don't want to sound like a certain person but i do want to have an overall metal sound. The genre can go from A7x to ETF and they both have COMPLETELY different sounds. It seems to me like even Steve Perry could be in a metal band and still pull it off. So that's not the issue. The issue is, are the pros really pros? Do they know almost everything about their voice? Even Matt Tuck hurt his voice. Popular bands might not be so talented as people expect? I probably shouldn't say talent but i mean skilled. Are are the top bands of a genre like this skilled? Are they true professionals or do they need work like everybody else?? And with that in mind, do i need to work on my voice so much to be as good as they are? If they can fly by why can't anybody else? Is it that "special" sound in their voice that just makes them more appealing? Thanks for reading this massive post, even if you just picked up on bits and pieces. I'm hoping to learn a few things here from some of the more educated people on here. I know these 5 bands might not fit into your favorite kind of music but I'd love to have some feedback on this. 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