The "Pros"??

[Zion1744]

Do the pros know "Everything" about singing. Is it just natural talent or is it research or both? Examples? I have a few lead singers of my own that I question all the time.

Matt Tuck, bullet for my valentine - Didn't he ruin his voice and had to get vocal surgery because of his methods. Is this typical for singers in the genre, i know plenty older guys like the lead vocalist from As I Lay Dying that are still kickin' it and are strong with screams. Also does matt tuck, judging by the songs he sings, sing in head voice? Is his voice just straight up chest or is it like a mix. To get a good professional sound does one have to master singing to sound like that? I'm asking about this because my friend told me i'm wasting my time doing all this research because it's not like our band will be learning anything like skid row any time soon, so head voice, in our band anyways, is useless??

Escape the Fate, Craig Mabbit - Another talented singer/screamer, in my opinion, that has been doing it for years and sound as healthy/clean as ever. If you have heard any of their songs you'll know what I mean by his cleans and he hits some pretty high notes too! If you search him on youtube look for a few songs like This War Is Ours. I'm pretty sure that song has some notes that aren't in chest. Does that mean they're in head voice? I love this band and i'm looking forward to learning a few songs by them. They had a previous singer, his name was Ronnie, he was talented and had a very unique sound. Was this due to him over stressing his voice? Do people actually sound like that naturally? My example on a song would be Situations - ETF or Reverse This Curse - ETF. Search these songs and tell me what you think of the vocals. Is it unhealthy to try to sound like him if doing a cover? "One last chance to reverse this curse." The "One" lyrics is pretty high in the chorus. Is that in the head voice register or is he singing that in chest. I try to sing that and i'm definitely doing it in chest and it's quite a strain and sounds unhealthy. So, i quit doing it.

Avenged Sevenfold, The talented "M Shadows" - He has a very unique sound as well and I believe it to be one of the most natural out of all the metal singers i've ever heard.. I love everything about his vocals, his highs, his lows, his screams, anything he does is great. Why? I have no idea. I was hoping for a little more clarity on his sound as well. I know in chapter four - A7X, there are some pretty high notes, especially if you're trying to sing them in chest voice. My friend sings this and he gets this sound in his throat like a goat when he sings the really high notes towards the end of the song ummm

at about 5:21 I think the word is wall? Anyways, it's high and challenging to sing in chest and it doesn't sound like head voice. I heard them do this song live and it always has such power, can you hit a note in head voice with that kind of distortion/power night after night on tour and not have damage? Oh and something I need to clarify, when I say "you" I mean the average joe. I want to know if it's something you can learn or something you're born with. Can naturally born vocal chords do this job the same, i know head tones and sinuses and all that good stuff make up a sound which is why we sound different. And there are different learning abilities between other people but shouldn't everyone be able to physically sing the same. That is unless said person's vocal chords were stronger/mutated or damaged in some way.

Three Days Grace, Adam Gontier - He has this same sound, raspiness as well as being able to sing high and have it sound like chest. Especially on albums, his vocals and distortion on albums are so much better on albums then they are live. Is that just effects? I've seen him live as well, he is phenomenal and it surprises me that he still has a voice, it must be very strong or he must be using a technique of some sort? Does anybody on here know what this is? A name for it or maybe an article that talks about it.

Journey, Steve Perry - I am in love with this man's voice. It is astonishes how much control he has and the tone he has while he sings. I know this is natural talent but did he have lessons to show him how to control this? How long does it take a person to master his/her voice this well. His sound is soooo clean and powerful. Normally I listen to metal, I love metal, it's my kind of music. I don't usually listen to older stuff like Led Zepplin or even AC/DC. But Journey, this is my exception due to his ability and sound quality. Lately, HE has been my inspiration for head voice. I listen to metal all the time and i'm used to this powerful chesty like tone, a grungy quality of music. Steve Perry I know sings in head voice because i've been told he does and you can't hit notes that high without singing in head voice right?? I also wonder if a singer like Craig Mabbitt from ETF could sing a song like Steve Perry? Obviously it wouldn't be exact replica but I know Craig has a really clean sound as well as Steve Perry. I wonder if A "pro" like Craig could even try to amount to somebody like Steve Perry. It's those Classics that people always say nobody can cover and make it sound perfect because the artist does it best. My examples are songs like Stairway to Heaven, Don't Stop Believing, Freebird, etc. Songs like this are always said to be PERFECT. What about more modern day masterpieces? People never consider modern day metal as masterpieces because it's a common misconception that anybody can cover it. A good example of a newer masterpiece, in my opinion, is Nightmare - A7X. If this principle still stands for any classics it should stand for a song like this. It's a great song and I think people should appreciate metal more than "people" do. I'm just saying this as a stereotype because there are so many people out there that think metal is just a bunch of idiots on stage screaming and head banging like there's no talent in it..

Back on topic! The main reason i created this, if you even read through it, was to see what you think of the pros. Can anybody do it? Is there something in each individual singer that sets them apart from everybody else? Can there be a person born with almost an identical voice as somebody else? I hear cover bands and even then they don't sound exactly like the singer, if you've heard one please post a link. I'd love to hear it! I also wonder for my own sake, i love my own sound, no matter what it is. I don't want to sound like a certain person but i do want to have an overall metal sound. The genre can go from A7x to ETF and they both have COMPLETELY different sounds. It seems to me like even Steve Perry could be in a metal band and still pull it off. So that's not the issue. The issue is, are the pros really pros? Do they know almost everything about their voice? Even Matt Tuck hurt his voice. Popular bands might not be so talented as people expect? I probably shouldn't say talent but i mean skilled. Are are the top bands of a genre like this skilled? Are they true professionals or do they need work like everybody else?? And with that in mind, do i need to work on my voice so much to be as good as they are? If they can fly by why can't anybody else? Is it that "special" sound in their voice that just makes them more appealing?

Thanks for reading this massive post, even if you just picked up on bits and pieces. I'm hoping to learn a few things here from some of the more educated people on here. I know these 5 bands might not fit into your favorite kind of music but I'd love to have some feedback on this.

Thanks again(:

[ronws]

I have a book of interviews by Bill Martin. "Secrets of Heavy Rock Singing." From Geoff Tate to Bruce Dickinson to John Bush to Ron Keel.

Nearly everyone of them, from the guys who had a vocal coach for a while to the guys who actually studied opera singing, says this. Rest, hydration. And this one, which always brings great wailing and gnashing of teeth, do what your voice can do, don't do what it cannot do. Ron Keel toured with and was friends with Ronnie James Dio. And said that Dio didn't have one of those soft, balladic voices, like say, Steve Perry. So, surprisingly enough, Ronnie James Dio was not known for doing ballads.

Bruce Dickinson, who taught himself to sing had read a book called "How to Sing." When he learned some of the classical technique in that book, his own words were, "So, that's how they do that. What can my voice do?" What's important about that statement is learning what it is your voice can do. The corollary statement to that should be and is often ignored, don't do what it can't do.

I have always admired Axl Rose's tone. And I cannot do it. And that doesn't make me less of a singer nor is the inability to make the sound he does a reason to say that I don't do enough with my voice or don't apply myself seriously enough to the study of voice. It just means I have a different voice. Add to that the fact that Axl Rose is actually a bass and can sing notes that I never will be able to sing. I might as well hate myself for being really tall.

The "natural" part of a singer's talent is their genetic make-up. That which controlled the eventual size and thickness of their folds. The shape and size of their resonating cavities, etc. But the consistency of voice, that comes from study and training. Either with a program, direct instruction, or whatever talent they have to "re-invent the wheel."

Some people can have a natural talent but like any endeavor, they become the star they are with hard work, one way or another. By hard work, I mean focused work. Caruso had a good tone. But he became the reknown singer he was through his practice.

Same with anyone else.

[Zion1744]

Well, here's a question: Got any good books to read? haha I'm probably going to go to the library and do some research on the human voice. Not the technical things so much as the singing exercises and limitations. Or a book that might help me learn my limitations?

Oh and a book that might help me develop my voice more so i can learn what my tone actually is. Example: ETF - Situations, I can sing like this but it seems like i'm being over dramatic and when i sing like Craig ETF - This War Is Ours, i feel like i'm singing too clean. Is that clean sound my natural tone? So is M Shadows sound his natural tone as well or do they actually add effects to the voice. My limits are fine when singing differently so fine as well as screaming. I can scream a song over and over for an hour and not lose my voice but i'm scared it's one of those things where you realize it when it's too late.. Any books to read on healthiness of the voice and or how to determine damage before it happens. I just started reading on the health part of this forum as well..

[Felipe Carvalho]

Zion, just as in any other human activity, there are persons who do have an easier time learning, a few even go very far on their own (few indeed). Due to both genetic reasons and the experiences this person went through from birth.

The technical methods are WAYs to develop coordination, as a martial art or as the technique you learn when you are trainning a new sport. Its not the coordination itself nor a physical model of the instrument. It goes way beyond that, but this alone is enough to understand that we can not simply apply one or another technical definition to other people we dont really know.

Doing that we are leaping into a conclusion that the other person has learned in the exact same way as we did. Its kinda silly actually.

Only the person will know exactly how it works for them, and I advice into trusting their descriptions on that. What I do not advice is trying to apply others perceptions of their own voices into yourself. And even worse trying to mimic another singer in an attempt to develop technique.

Before someone blasts me, this is not the same as analysing a performance and using resources of your own to recreate some aspects of it.

Now, if you are concerned about how far you can go based on your natural "talent" to it, no one can know for sure. What I can assure you is that trainning you will go very far from what you have now (even if you are already sounding good) and that the simple fact that you are worried about it shows that singing is important to you. Its a long term trainning for sure, but time will pass whether you choose to train or not.

And no, there are no 2 precisely identical voices. Prety much like a fingerprint. Similar timbre maybe, but never identical. Just think for a second, do you think that someonelse could fool you by mimicing a person very close to you, like a brother or your mother? Maybe for a few seconds over the phone, but never longer than that.

Its one of the key elements we naturally use to identify other people.

[Zion1744]

That's why I asked, I don't see it anywhere in the media.. I have no idea if they've just gotten there on there own or one day picked up a mic and knew they were born a singer. I wish they talked about it more in interviews too.. I love all of these artist but I know nothing about their technical singing ability. I always wonder if they ever got singing lessons to get to where they are or if they just practiced through it all. Oh well haha

[Zion1744]

And I completely understand that I shouldn't try to sound like something i'm not. I tried to say that in my post. I want to be me and sound like me. I hear amateur covers of songs and they're okay but there's usually this thing in most amateurs that i don't like. Nasal sounding thing i'm not sure what is is, it honestly brings down a lot of people singing, including my own. Through practice, can one eliminate this? And also I want to sound metal like but with my own sort of distortion as I grow and learn my own voice. This can be achieved right? I think that when i write my own songs i have my own voice in them. I don't try to sound like anybody else, however i know i'm singing too tense and all these other things. But it's still my voice, I know what my "sound" is and it won't change. I'm satisfied with it though. I don't ever bash on my own voice and try and be something i'm not. However, i would like to be able to work on it and add different effects to it, is this possible without damaging my voice? Are effects just a speedier way to danger or is clean the only way to go safely?

[Keith]

That's why I asked, I don't see it anywhere in the media.. I have no idea if they've just gotten there on there own or one day picked up a mic and knew they were born a singer. I wish they talked about it more in interviews too.. I love all of these artist but I know nothing about their technical singing ability. I always wonder if they ever got singing lessons to get to where they are or if they just practiced through it all. Oh well haha

Are you asking these questions because you want to see if it is worth it for you to try and do this on your own and save the $ from a teacher or program?

[VideoHere]

while you were writing this post, you could have been exercising.

[Keith]

while you were writing this post, you could have been exercising.

ROFL!

[Zion1744]

I wrote this post to see what other people thought about professional singers in a genre that i like. I wanted to see if anyone knew more about how "pro" singers actually are. I want to know things, that's all. And i know no matter what it is, vocally anything I do to improve myself is worth it. I practice every day to improve, it's definitely worth it. I sit in school now and all i can think about is practicing. When my voice goes out i want to practice but i know i can't. On my down time I read and research different things. I'm even considering going a healthy route for my voice. I've already started drinking more than a gallon of water a day.. I feel like i'm peeing waterfalls now lol. And Keith, this was not to seek out assurance on my own voice or to see if you can make it big without lessons. It was to see if these professional singers are actually professionals. It's like in the NBA, does every player shoot the same way? Of course not, but one thing is for sure they are all coached and put through training with a personal trainer. I was curious if that's how singing was. I wonder if they were at the same spot I am, doubting themselves, thinking they'll never get there no matter how much practice they put in. And if you're talking to me videohere, exercising as in vocally or actually physically? Because my voice is already gone again for today, i sang wayyy too much :// As for physically, yeah i could use some more physical work outs because i need to work on my appearance as a member of a band! Everything is appearance and i need to have a good image

I hope people don't just look at me as an overexcited teenager either.. I'm pretty sure that's what everyone's thinking on here like 90% of the time. That i'm just on a rampage with singing and it'll die out eventually. I've never ever felt like i need to do something more than this. Honestly it started one day, I was playing guitar and i told myself i'm going to sing. I sat down that day and sucked and ever since then i've been getting less sucky. And then i found this forum and now i actually have someone to talk to about it.. I need to sing, and to do it well.. It's like a life aspiration of mine i guess. It could be because of all the hype singers get or because I want to prove people wrong, or because i want to surpass my dad, or because i want the self fulfillment.

Another one of those long rants i should just not post but i hope you guys get where i'm coming from. I'm sure quite a few of you passionately care about something and it might be singing but atleast you know where i'm coming from. It's also about the money too..

On the money aspect. I'm not going to spend 400$ on that package right away. It's a bad idea. Why? Because a number of reasons.

1.) I need my money for things involving the band - Tube amp, New Guitar, Better p.a. system, lights even anything the band needs we pool our money together and get

2.)I'm looking to progress other musical skills as well, not just singing - Same as before-guitar, Keyboard, New Clarinet,

3.) I can learn the same thing from somebody who isn't a professional for a cheaper price. Sure Robert might be the best vocal coach in the world but like i said before do i need to pay 100$ to work with a mathematician to teach me 4 x 4 = 16. Absolutely not, i could have a school teacher teach me it for much less. As well as that 75$ being saved would put more money towards number 1/2.

4.) I do have bills to pay as well.. Car insurance, phone bill, weekly gas, any recreational activities i like to have every once in awhile like the concert i just went to, which was great!

I hope those reasons are enough for anyone who questions my judgment on the program. Like i've said many times before. I'm sure the program is great. But i honestly can't afford it. Some say i should change my priorities but my priority is definitely singing. And i'm definitely willing to invest money into it. Just not so much at one time and not so much on something that i don't need. I don't need to eat the best quality food ever, i can get by scrounging on cereal and ramen noodles. Even though i might not get the same nutrients, it's better than starving to death. (Good food = Robert, Ramen Noodles = amateur instructor, starving= doing it on my own.) I hope my analogies don't throw people off -_-

[Keith]

Here is my $.02.. First, it seems like you are trying to develop too many things at once. Second, a high school teacher isn not going to teach you advanced vocal bridging techniques or even head voice. I did not even know there was a head voice until I found this forum. Third, I am a college student and wanted to take the only singing class offered (because I am broke also and thought it would be cheaper and more effecticve). The lady would only teach my how to sing in my natural range - which is E2-E4. 2 friggin octaves. Since I want more range than I already have, I declined to pay the lady for teaching me what I already know.

I know you want to be the best at everything you do, that is pretty obvious - but you aren't going to get there if you are trying to master too many things at once. A good example of this is me! This semster, I decided (in my infinite wisdom) to take 4 different law courses..... The four areas I am taking all use the same terminology, but for each course, they mean different things. My advise is to pick an istrument you want to master, and get it done. Then, move on to the next one. think you will find that the process will go much quicker than trying to do all that at once.

PS every stage that I have played or sang on (and there have been many) have had their won damn lights. Prioritise what gear is important and what gear is not. Lights are not important. Band members come and go, so I would also suggest every member having their own gear. That way, later on, you wont be trying to figuren out who gets the SP2's, or the Crown Power Base.. (yes, I've been there also).

[Zion1744]

Well, for starters it sounds like a good idea to master one thing and then another, but i play guitar and sing. I have to be able to do both, well. I play piano and sing as well which is why i want to invest in a piano. I want to learn more songs on piano and practice them regularly. I'm starting to lead to singing as my main instrument but i'm not just going to drop the others until i'm great at singing if that's what you're suggesting (I don't think that's what you're saying.) But i'm not asking a school teacher, that was just my analogy. I'm planning on getting lessons locally any time soon and definitely not from a school teacher. Lol I talked to my school teacher and she knows less than i do about the male voice.. Kind of upsetting but completely expected. Not being rude or anything there either.. As for the band. It's kind of funny actually.. We're the first band to come from our town, it's relatively small and by small i mean like 200 kids in our highschool. And me and a few of my friends 2 of them being brothers decided to start a band. We all have seperate equipment. The rules for that is we buy our own equipment unless it's something everyone needs. We split things like the P.a. system, if we were to record somethign in the studio we would split it, and the light idea as well. We also put on local shows which lights aren't supplied lol. And by local shows i mean in his back yard. He lives out in the country so we throw pool parties and stuff in the summer 5$ entries and get other bands to play there. It's just a basic teenage hang out in the summertime. So the lights would be needed to improve the shows at his house anyways. Also they'd be fun to practice with as well i guess.. Lights really weren't the best example. And the rules with that are if a member of the band ever quits we split his portion 3 ways (remaining band members refund the person quitting). We give him back the money he invested and we still have the p.a. for the band. However if the entire band crumbles, as for the p.a. I offered to buy it full price if that ever happened. I know no matter what i'm going to be part of a band and i'll need that pa system. But we're all friends so it's not too much of a worry right now (splitting up). I do see stuff like that happening but atleast we have a plan for it right? But as for our own equipment we don't split that (drummer bought his drumset, guitarists buy their amps, basist bought his amp, etc.) We don't have really a "lead" vocalist either. Right now we're at that phase where we are defining our sound and so far three of the four people in the band are doing something vocally. Me singing lead for our written songs, other guitar (also lead) is also our main screamer, and the drummer does backing vocals. As for covers we go with whoever fits it best. It's a simple system i just hope we never lose it and we'll be fine. I hate to think of bands breaking up, like you said it happens all the time . I just see us having too many "good deals." We have a 4 man band so there's no "Front man" Which pretty much everyone in the band doesn't want. We don't want to take in some random good singer and have him define us, if we knew somebody it may be a different story. As for instruments we all know what we're doing and not arguing over anything. Lead guitarist has screams, I am rhythm guitar with vocals, drummer with backing vocals, and bassist (He just started playing this summer but he's good at pretty much everything he does so he's getting good fast.)

So that's the story of our band haha. We're all just a bunch of friends who have a dream, I want to help make that dream come true and it feels like if i focus on 1 thing i'll forget about the others or fall behind in them atleast.

Oh and forgot to mention we're all still young 17 17 17 and 19. It also doesn't seem like much can get in our way to getting better. We have somewhere to practice, we have determination.. we practice as a full band mon. wed. and fri. sometimes sun. And we learn songs throughout the week. On top of school and working and other extracurricular activities i think we're doing pretty good. But enough about me and my love for our band (:

Overall my main points in this are:

I'm not going to a school teacher, i'd be going to a local vocal teacher.

I'm not worried about our band we have a good system.

I'm not worried about too much stuff at once, they all contribute to my voice in some way as well

I honestly don't care if i'm the best at guitar because i know our lead guitarist has guitar covered (not saying i don't want to be good.. I just don't set as high of a goal.

I'm not overwhelmed, i have plenty of down time to read and research all this stuff which is proof i've got time on my hands, which means i should be working

My pick? The only instrument i want to master is vocals. I don't want to be a front man because i want to play guitar, just not master it..

[Robert Lunte]

Just about anyone can do it, with average talent, a good coach, and a heart as big as Texas... that is willing to practice and commit. Absolutely...

[Keith]

Zion, playing a pool party sounds like a load of FUN! I think I need to book one of them lol. And, of course, invite a ton of chics :)

[Jeran]

Didn't M. Shadows blow out his voice early and have to get surgery? Their early stuff is that horrible screaming thing all the "metal" singers are doing these days. After the surgery, he started singing like he does now. I hate his tone, but at least he doesn't scream like the early days.

[Zion1744]

Stereotypical Hater ^ Haha That's what i mean by people that hate the current metal genre.. Blind hate for that talent/skill, you can tell by referring to their vocals as "that horrible screaming thing." Also it wasn't m shadows that did the screaming early on for a7x it was actually the rev. I think. And i'm unsure of him having to get surgery. And the early days had some of the greatest songs Chapter four and unholy confessions. But besides that i'm sure you can find people like that everywhere against every genre. I personally have no hate against any genre but i'm sure i will find one someday. As for pool parties, heck yeah babes, bonfires, and bands. The best summer nights ever haha as for a heart as big as texas.. Lol i don't know if i have a heart that big (; but i know for sure i'm willing to practice and am practicing so i'll get there. Some how no matter what. That is unless i physically damage myself but that's scary stuff ;( i hope i don't have to worry about that for a long time or i hope i'm one of those blessed singers with a voice like elastic. haha

[Zion1744]

Oh and Robert, ABSOLUTELY. I don't know if that got my point across, I am beyond determined at this point. It's as if i fell in love with a woman and that woman will never get what she wants(; And I hope to schedule at least one lesson with you to see what it's like. Some time in maybe the future when i'm more equipped / not on such a tight budget.

And i didn't know you had an actual band page Keith! lol How'd you make that and does it cost money to run? haha Stupid $

Oh and on top of the screaming thing, M Shadows still screams.. Or atleast he has at the past 3 concerts i've seen in the past few months. Last time i saw them they were at uproar here at tinley, Il. (Chicago area) He screamed one of their older songs: Unholy Confessions. So i'm not sure where you're getting the whole "Not screaming thing anymore" from.

[NCdan]

If I might contribute my two cents... I'm nowhere near being as good as some professional singers, but I did it on drums, all without lessons. I typically play Josh Freese, Ty Smith, Brooks Wackerman, etc... stuff.

Could I have gotten there faster with a teacher? Probably, if it was a GOOD teacher. Did I learn bad habits that I had to unlearn? Yeah, but it wasn't a big deal. If I had to do it over again would I go with a teacher? No way. First of all I was able to learn what I wanted to learn, and a lot of teachers will make you learn stuff you could care less about. I don't care what anyone says: become a master in one area and the other areas will come very easily. I never studied jazz drumming but I've played with very accomplished jazz musicians and they always comment on what a great jazz drummer I am. Truth is I'm just faking it and playing around. Go figure. But this drum stuff came naturally to me.

Fast forward and I picked up guitar. @#$% I suck at guitar. I practiced my little heart out for years and I still suck. I definitely won't get to the next level without a teacher with oceans of patience. About all I'm good at is playing rhythm in time lol. Singing has been in between drums and guitar for me: hard, but not ridiculously hard. I'm still progressing without a teacher, but it isn't remarkably fast progress and I've had to get plenty of pointers from forum members here.

The verdict: if it doesn't come naturally to you get a teacher, but make sure it's a good one. Don't do anything that hurts. Good luck.

[Zion1744]

Thanks man ^ That advice helps, it gives me a little more hope Just knowing that other people struggle like I do when it comes to technique. I'm most likely going to get a teacher. But honestly, who here hasn't hurt themselves? It seems like everyone has lost their voice or hurt it singing stuff they can't.

is this guy using his head voice or is that chest!?

[Jeran]

It's far from blind hate, it's just a matter of differing tastes. I like a lot of metal, but the whole screamo type thing is extremely unappealing, to me. Laughable, even. I do, however, like Adam Gontier and Steve Perry.

[srs7593]

Zion, Ultimately, the vocalist decides how he sings, not the rest of the band, unless they plan on auditioning people. Use head voice if you think you can use it, or when you have one that you are comfortable using. It doesn't even need to be super great in order for you to start using it. You really just have to be able to make noise up there and mean it. Intent can go along way towards helping you get away with things that would sound ridiculous otherwise. I believe that is a large part of what makes it art. That happens at different points for different people. I believe that if Axl Rose and Brian Johnson hadn't been singing every song like they meant it, they would have gotten laughed off of every stage. Part of it is self esteem, artistic outlook, and personality.

Also, I wouldn't believe myself if I told myself this a year ago, but it is possible to get a rawer or thicker sound above the passaggio than below. Dio, M. Shadows, Russell Allen, Layne Staley, Pavarotti... Those guys all actually bridge pretty early. Once you map it all out for yourself, there is very little tension to hold the voice back. It takes time and patience. Loads of it. But now, after spending lots of time and having patience, I know that to be a true statement. I can get a very raw, belt like sound as high as D5. It takes a lot out of me. I definitely can't do it all day. But I digress a bit.The main message that I'm getting from this thread is that the best singers are the ones who push themselves while all the same, knowing their limits.

As for classical training, it depends on your teacher. I think it can be beneficial for just about anybody. Especially, and somewhat counter-intuitively, for people wanting to sing extreme music. Both are all about being efficient. My instructor does both opera and musical theater. We (By we I mean I; she's a mezzo, I'm a bass) warm up sometimes as low as C2 and sometimes as high as A4 belted. We are attempting to start bridging, although very little repertoire for my voice type will call for that. But for what I'm doing, all of the extreme stuff is in the interest of making it easier to sing from D2-E4 as beautifully as I possibly can. For lessons in singing rock music, you need to find a rock singer. But my philosophy is that if your not primarily self taught, it's not rock n' roll. There's no way to spoon feed it and absolutely no one size fits all, all-encompassing method. Ideally, It should be about finding yourself. Not being all the things that people want to hear. It's better to be something that they've never heard or didn't know that they wanted to hear until they heard it.

[Zion1744]

Couldn't agree with that more ^

[srs7593]

is this guy using his head voice or is that chest!?

I'd say a bit of both. The diaphragm lift at the end of the intro chorus and the openness/overtones of the sound seem characteristic of singing above the passaggio. I sense the "floatyness." Especially on the line "so insecure." He occasionally switches and can do this relatively easily because he has a higher voice type. But I think really belting all that would wear out just about anyone.

[Zion1744]

He and many other talented people online are crazy, i can sing those notes in chest but i strain so bad and lose my voice after a few songs like it. I consider that i could work on it and develop some kind of resistance to it but i'm not going to risk hurting my voice. So, that song would be right on my bridge. Can a person learn a song that switches on the bridges repeatedly without it sounding weird? Do singers do that often or does it get to the point to where the "switch" is just always on. Because when i'm doing scales or singing a song i kind of have to engage my head voice to sing, but when it's on i have to go up on notes but not down if that makes sense? So going back and forth is troublesome and needs much work. So how does this guys head voice sound the same as his chest? Is that from practice?

[srs7593]

What you just wrote is basically everyone's "problem." I think some people can get away with con belto shout singing more than others. But for the rest of us, learning to seamlessly navigate the break is the best and safest option. It sounds ridiculous when you first learn bridging. But like anything, it improves with time and patience. I sometimes still try to see how high and long I can shout sing, and my range and stamina with that type of singing has increased significantly. But I think it's quite a slippery slope to go down. I believe that's how Bob (Videohere) said he injured himself.