Matt Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 :D Its amazing how it sounds magical even without the rest of the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 although the overdubs help a little.......lol!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2012 Author Share Posted April 19, 2012 this is a great one too Listen to the difference in intake of breath. freddy sounds like he's drowning compared to dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 this is a great one too Listen to the difference in intake of breath. freddy sounds like he's drowning compared to dio Very interesting indeed. I have to ask, for anyone who might know... at 4:30 it sounds like Freddie's voice is "snapping" between different levels of fullness, then on the falsetto note following it, you can hear a strange buzzy undertone which sounds almost like a second note being sung. I'm wondering if these sounds, combined with the amount of air he's using to phonate, can indicate nodules? I know Freddie had them, while I believe Dio had a good track record for vocal health... correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 absolutely. vocal nodules interfere with fold adduction, and since they nearly always form at the midpoint between the folds, they can essentially create two seperate sets of folds, the nodule acting as the dividing point. this gives a duality of tones. anytime you have something in the middle/on the folds, be it a nodule, polyp, or even a thick secretion of phlegm you hamper fold adduction and set yourself up for a ton of singing issues ranging from raspiness, cracks, pitch diversion, range issues, overdarkness in the tone, huskiness, and tone inconsistency. your confidence and consistency goes in the toilet... from personal experience....bob now, i'm no expert, but i would bet dollars to donuts that some of freddie's recordings were pitch raised as well. songs like "the show must go on?".......i really doubt if freddie recorded those tracks in that key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Never heard this kind of edition on queen and freddie mercury records. If anything they are almost raw when you compare to newer material. Why u say that? felipe, is this question for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Spectrum, dont take me wrong but the answer is no, it can not be used as an indication of nodules. To indicate nodules, you need a doctor, a scope and then proceeding into ask the patient what is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Never heard this kind of edition on queen and freddie mercury records. If anything they are almost raw when you compare to newer material. Why u say that? felipe, is this question for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 yeah! The pitch shift u said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 when i had the polyp along with the phlegm it was entirely possible i could go to sing a note and the pitch was hampered by the phlegm. the phlegm could actually deflect the pitch. phlegm is a bitch, especially when it's thick...okay enough grossing folks out.....lol!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vocalist Dad Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 How about Chris Cornell wailing away with Black Rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Spectrum, dont take me wrong but the answer is no, it can not be used as an indication of nodules. To indicate nodules, you need a doctor, a scope and then proceeding into ask the patient what is wrong. Oh I understand that Felipe. I'm not looking for a medical confirmation here, but I have heard similar oddities from other vocalists who have sustained damage. Surely that's not a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 absolutely. vocal nodules interfere with fold adduction, and since they nearly always form at the midpoint between the folds, they can essentially create two seperate sets of folds, the nodule acting as the dividing point. this gives a duality of tones. anytime you have something in the middle/on the folds, be it a nodule, polyp, or even a thick secretion of phlegm you hamper fold adduction and set yourself up for a ton of singing issues ranging from raspiness, cracks, pitch diversion, range issues, overdarkness in the tone, huskiness, and tone inconsistency. your confidence and consistency goes in the toilet... from personal experience....bob Thanks for sharing Bob. I feel like I might be right beside you on this one. My voice has had spontaneous huskiness and overdarkness for much too long, and I've always suspected nodes might be the cause, but I'd rather pull the wool over my eyes and live in denial. Hearing your account though makes me want to go see an ENT and get it out of the way... now, i'm no expert, but i would bet dollars to donuts that some of freddie's recordings were pitch raised as well. songs like "the show must go on?".......i really doubt if freddie recorded those tracks in that key. I reckon The Show was sung in its current key, but the high notes do have a distinct chipmunky quality to them not unlike what occurs when you speed a song up. No disrespect intended of course, Freddie is a trooper for even managing to get that song out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 spectrum, do it....please. one of the tell tale ways to know something is wrong is singing becomes more labored. has your singing become more effortful? Are you raspy in your speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Bob, My low-mid range is unaffected as far as I can tell, it's mostly the 4th and 5th octaves that are affected. From F4 upwards there is a lot of air in my voice, and it takes soooooo much effort and support to maintain connection, my voice gets tired pretty fast. You can hear it in this clip: http://picosong.com/wRUk/ Sorry for the derail... perhaps this is for another thread? Tyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 tyler, it can never hurt to get an e.n.t. to scope you. it can reveal a lot more besides nodes and polyps... you sound a little bit breathy a times which means you are allowing too much air to come through for singing, air can easily dry you out and make you more vulnerable to vocal damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thanks Bob. I'm seeing my GP on Thursday so I'll get a referral from her. Got my fingers crossed that the damage (if any) is reversible. I have one question though... how the hell did you stick to months of vocal rest?! Lately I've been attempting two weeks of 100% vocal rest like the CVT book says... don't think I've lasted more than 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 My very musical cat tells me off and then hides under the bed whenever I sing, so best way to stop singing: get a cat with a good ear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 My cat must be from the same choir. Joins in with a nice pharyngeal harmony when I get a bit too loud. Always a good reminder to pull it back a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spectrum Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of being told off by a cat. I do however have a dog who becomes genuinely concerned when I'm in my high register... perhaps I can use her anxiety to keep me motivated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thanks Bob. I'm seeing my GP on Thursday so I'll get a referral from her. Got my fingers crossed that the damage (if any) is reversible. I have one question though... how the hell did you stick to months of vocal rest?! Lately I've been attempting two weeks of 100% vocal rest like the CVT book says... don't think I've lasted more than 24 hours. a ton of willpower coupled with fear. i knew how bad i did not want the surgery. used the voice as little as i possibly could... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 when she was a kitten, she actually jumped up on my chest and looked into my mouth to see what was wrong with it. I suppose she thought there was some animal dying down in my throat or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 24, 2012 Author Share Posted April 24, 2012 do any of the classical singers around here have any thoughts on the dio clip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 I must rectify freddies maligned reputation with this excellent isolated track: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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