Getting rid of Falsetto

[Danielformica]

D.Starr you did great the other day stay with what I showed you it will not fail you:) Iknow it seems simple but don't make it harder than it is..To many chefs spoil the soup and the soup you served the other day was awesome:)

[ronws]

D.Starr you did great the other day stay with what I showed you it will not fail you:) Iknow it seems simple but don't make it harder than it is..To many chefs spoil the soup and the soup you served the other day was awesome:)

And I smoked a 13 lb brisket on Sunday. And, I do rock on the grill.

I should retire from the electrical trade and open a barbecue stand. And write songs about it.

"I've got the brisket-smokin' blues.

Can't run out of mesquite.

I've got the brisket-smokin' blues.

And it's gonna be sweet.

Oh, lawdy ..."

12 bar blues boogie in E, I think.

[D.Starr]

Found the Vocal Power - Middle Voice 4 video I had saved on my PC. Never really gave it a shot. I think someone posted it on here as well in this thread.

I know it's not perfect but this is a little attempt I had at it. A few weeks on it and I think I'll have it down. It relates more to my voice because I naturally put a cry into my high notes, plus it sounds more R&B stylistically.

It's also helping me stay connected more rather than flipping. Obviously once I get the foundations I think I should be able to darken the sound a little more rather than it being a tad whiney.

It's alos a little scratchy but I think that is because I've JUST come out of a sore throat. Slowly getting myself back into vocalising, took a week off. Painful. Very painful, not being able to sing for a week :'(

Maybe a chance I'm over crying as well. I'll tinker with it.

https://www.box.com/s/1ythxl005tqn0ie5fdcu

[jonpall]

You doing the exercise correctly. You just need either A) more pracise or slightly better posture/breath support (hold back your breath slightly more). I'm assuming that the first attempt at the exercise in that clip was Tony and not you, right?

[D.Starr]

You doing the exercise correctly. You just need either A) more pracise or slightly better posture/breath support (hold back your breath slightly more). I'm assuming that the first attempt at the exercise in that clip was Tony and not you, right?

Awesome. Good to know I'm heading in the right direction with this.

Yes it's Tony who is the very first example. Thought I'd record the clip before attempting for an example of what I'm attempting.

Not saying this exercise will be my saving grace, but it's helping me stay connected and not flip into falsetto or break that much.

I reckon I just need more practise on the subject. With doing some stuff Daniel gave me, I'm trying to let go of always flipping and being afraid to go full frontal but not too much with it.

Too much SLS has made me pull back more with my voice.

[Danielformica]

hey d Starr just remember what ever scale you practice, practice like you sing. Make it sound like a song you're singing, you wouldnt flip unless stylistically you yodeled or sang falsetto in a song...So try to practice like you sing..

[MDEW]

Glad to hear you are making progress D I listened to your exercise it sounds way better than my attempt.

I can tell that you are on your way to smoothing out your range.

I have a question that relates to this. I know that the dopey UH sound added with Cry will help to tilt the Larynx and help the folds to stretch. When I think I am doing the cry sound I am not sure that my larynx is tilting or if am just using a fasetto sound. Is ther another way to get the larynx to tilt? Does it take a lot of effort to do this or could it be that I am making it too hard by thinking about it?

[MDEW]

Thanks Owen. when not singing I can lower my larynx or twang with no problem. It must be lowering,twanging and singing all at the same time that is giving me problems. I will keep on training. the components are there I just need to get them to work together.

[Felipe Carvalho]

Getting help from Daniel is absolutely the most wise information described here. Congrats on that man. Keep it up.

[eggplantbren]

Too much SLS has made me pull back more with my voice.

I had the same thing happen. I would do their big round scales but just go into falsetto on the high parts, because I thought that would lead to head voice which would lead to mix. It didn't work.

Something that helped me was to practice CVT overdrive. This is a shouty style on the EH or OH vowels (you can use EH like how Robert uses it in his exercises). It gets pretty loud up high and don't try to go above high C. As you get higher open your mouth wide horizontally and vertically like biting a big apple. And don't think about bridging or head voice or anything, just keep going right through F4 and all that.

It's not really a sound many people want to use up there, but for me it really helped with the feeling of what full voice high notes actually feel like. They feel nothing whatsoever like my old falsetto.

[VideoHere]

okay guys, here we go...besides my success with frisell's method...he told me this......another important thing to realize is some voices (especially big voices) have a bigger gap of tonal disparity between the voices than others. that gap is less pronounced in some singers than others. that is why more lyric voices seem to blend easier and are inherantly more agile than a bigger, bulkier, dramatic voice.

but i believe strongly to really develop a strong mix, you have to have a solid chest voice. the chest voice is like a launching pad (from dave brooks) and the mix notes stem from there. i also believe you should take your mix notes as high as possible and they should be trained well.

if you have a naturally strong chest voice, then you heed to spend time developing "head voice musculature."

blending the voice takes hard work. you can't always baby the voice...you need to confuse it sometimes...lol!!!

[izzle1989]

Getting help from Daniel is absolutely the most wise information described here. Congrats on that man. Keep it up.

I have to agree here. Hey D why didn't you hit me up? You know I would have helped you with this. Oh well I'm glad you got some help with this from Daniel.... He understands this concept very well.

[D.Starr]

I have to agree here. Hey D why didn't you hit me up? You know I would have helped you with this. Oh well I'm glad you got some help with this from Daniel.... He understands this concept very well.

My apologies man. I few times I was on Skype you weren't on :(

[VideoHere]

well, too bad i don't have a clue what they're saying.....lol!!! no special exercises though....lol!!!

[chamcham]

well, too bad i don't have a clue what they're saying.....lol!!! no special exercises though....lol!!!

OMG! Thanks for the link.

Never thought I'd find vocal lessons in Japanese.

I actually study Japanese.

So this is great for me.

She actually talks a bit about SLS in the video.

I took the liberty to translate the title of all their videos. :cool:

VTC 1 is from 2 years ago.

VTC 27 (the most recent episode) was released a week ago.

VTC 1話 Voice Training: Fundamental Knowledge (Part 1)

VTC 2話 Voice Training: Fundamental Knowledge (Part 2)

VTC 3話 Let's Sing a Musical Song Part 1 (Mixed Voice)

VTC 4話 Let's Sing a Musical Song Part 2 (Acting)

VTC 5話 Let's Sing a Musical Song Part 3 (Commentary/Ending)

VTC 6話 Strong Mixed Voice?！First Half（Warmup）

VTC 7話 Strong Mixed Voice?！Second Half（Application）

VTC 8話 Rock your MIX! First Half

VTC 9話 Rock your MIX! Second Half

VTC 10話 Mixed Voice ＋ Style (1)

VTC 11話 Mixed Voice ＋ Style (2)

VTC 12話 Mixed Voice ＋ Style (3) Rhythm Training

VTC 13話 Mixed Voice ＋ Style (4) Style

VTC 14話 Voice Trainers Let's talk together about exercises Volume 1

VTC 15話 Voice Trainers Let's talk together about exercises Volume 2

VTC 16話 Vowel Control (????)

VTC 17話 Advanced Acting Class

VTC18話 Towards putting acting and vocal training together

VTC19話 Mastering Vibrato! Building Vibrato・Practice Mastery

VTC20話 Mastering Vibrato! Vibrato・Practical Usage

VTC21話 Training a light tenor voice! High Voice Type Lesson

VTC22話 Session for Intermediate Singers （Also called Yuki's Room）

VTC23話 Tone Control and Timing（Vocal Pre-Production）

VTC 24話 Phrasing

VTC 25話 VT Instructor's Song History

VTC 26話 Rock Singing and Ideal Vocalization

VTC 27話 Men's middle voice doesn't exist?!!!

[VideoHere]

wow, thanks very much.. i've got to check out vtc 26 and 27.

[MDEW]

Could someone teach me japanese so I can learn how to sing? :| Just kidding vey cool that you found this. they look like they are having loads of fun.

[D.Starr]

OK strange one to day folks.

Thought I'd whip out the old mirror and have a look at what is going on in my mouth/throat when I sing.

I noticed the back of my mouth/pharynx was acutely zipping up, strange I know. So I decided to scale up and stay connected and made it up to A4 without any strain or flip. The sound was rather nasally and a little witchy but I made it up there and back down.

https://www.box.com/s/lij7ohxx5m7z887bg0xo

Apologies for the grossness of it, no other way I can really show what's going on.

Is this meant to happen or is this one of the reason I'm finding it hard to ascend up the scale without straining or choking?

I know I naturally twang a lot when I talk is this the same effect as the epiglottis closing and constricting to produce twang?

[MDEW]

Their are muscles that connect that area to the tongue or hyoid bone or larynx. I am not sure which. Some one who knows more will let you know. they are called " pillars of the fauces ". Either that band of muscles that you showed moving or another band infront of that will move in the same way. This does help the larynx tilt.

I am sure Someone will straighten us both out about the correct muscle group and function.

[D.Starr]

Their are muscles that connect that area to the tongue or hyoid bone or larynx. I am not sure which. Some one who knows more will let you know. they are called " pillars of the fauces ". Either that band of muscles that you showed moving or another band infront of that will move in the same way. This does help the larynx tilt.

I am sure Someone will straighten us both out about the correct muscle group and function.

Interesting.

Anyone else?

[ronws]

Until someone can correct me, the fauces is the buccal opening, formed by the back of the soft palate, the tongue and the sides of that open.

the muscle that controls the front of the larynx also controls the base of the tongue.

I believe these are two different sets of structures.

[MDEW]

I get my info from all kinds of strange places. I can definately be wrong. :/

[MDEW]

palatoglossus

[-glos′əs]

the muscle that underlies the glossopalatine arch. The palatoglossus muscles depress the palate, move the arches toward the midline like curtains, and elevate the back of the tongue. These actions help close the fauces.

[MDEW]

According to a book by Eugene Feuchtinger M.A. there is another muscle coupled with this that extends to the horn of the Thyroid Cartilage. This another reason that lifting the soft palet helps in the tilting of the Larynx.

If Eugene Feuchtinger has been discredited would someone please tell me why his main findings are invalid.

[D.Starr]

OK so is this hindering my singing or natural?