ronws Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Here's what I see. An interesting statement. That you, ryj, have been reading this forum since 2011 and just now decided to respond. And in all that time haven't learned the tone of discourse that is preferred, here? Come in, guns ablazing? What's that about? But the most telling statement was when you said that your friends thought that the sounds you made before were girly and weak. So, correct me if I am wrong, and I happen to be mature enough to handle being told when I am wrong (it even happened recently and I admitted I was wrong and the world continued to turn around,) but you are basing what is strong voice on your friends statements, who like the baritone range screamo, and that outweighs anything that professional voice coaches and other lifelong singers might find value in? Or am I overreaching? Perhaps, I need to ask why you thought the onsets were weak. Is it only because the note did not start out like your song? Or did you not get, after repeated attempts to inform you, that the onsets were for head voice training? Let me see if I can try. The onsets were for headvoice training. Something basic, to which one can later add distortion. I have to admit I don't know anything about screamo and don't care to know but I also think, in my own amateur way, that what is going on with screamo is not so easily related to what we are doing with head voice. In which case, to me, your initial comment is a non-sequitur. Doesn't logically follow. And, you said, in a post, that your desire was not to offend. I invite you to look at your initial post and tell me if there was a way to express your misgiving without looking like you were spoiling for a fight. And it has nothing to do with english not being your first language. For example, I speak some spanish, though it is not my first language. But even I know what not to say if I walk into a cantina, looking for a beer. Conversely, I also know enough spanish to start a fight. And no, I am not saying you speak spanish, that was just an example. Something else of interest. When I made the comments about the Boerlings, you responded so fast that you were obviously online. And fast enough that you did not have enough time to search recordings of the either of the Boerlings to form a response. Ergo, you are familiar with the Boerlings and opera. And, having read this forum since 2011, per your own words, already know the general sound ideal or ideals presented in this forum, some of them greatly aided by techniques such as Robert's. Leading me to wonder why you made the comment and in the way that you did. And you say that what you fear from trying to understand and implement the technique demonstrated is that you will sound girly and weak. Me, I already sound girly, so I have no further to fall from grace. So, you speak of fear. Don't be afraid. And often, in training, one will make odd sounds but that will not be the end result. It will be merely a stepping stone, a training tool to develope your voice even further. But you have to be brave enough to get through that. Now, I shall sit back and read where you tell me some more what I may or may not think or judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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