Guest Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 I've asked this here once before but, since there's some fresh fish in the jailhouse, I figured I'd give it another shot. Have any of you heard of or conceived of a sentence that takes you through every vowel, consonant and dipthong that a person might use for training? It probably wouldn't be that hard to make one up, but I wonder if there's a particular sequence of sounds that works better than others. I like to warm up by kind of talk-singing alphabet or reading aloud, but I always wonder if there is a singing equivalent of the typist's "quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamcham Posted February 22, 2013 Share Posted February 22, 2013 English has 44 sounds. Here are a couple of links with examples for every sound: The 44 Sounds (Phonemes) of English http://www.dyslexia-speld.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=Kh7hycbitgA=&t.. Here's an image I found on another site: You could focus on sounds/phonemes instead of words. Words are just make up of sounds/phonemes. In terms of pairs of sounds (i.e. one sound and then another, to represent transitioning from one sound to another), there are 946 pairs ("44 choose 2" in mathematical notation) in English. So technically you could represent all pairs of sounds in English with 946 x 2 = 1892 sounds If you assume that the average English word has 4 sounds(I'm just randomly guessing here), 1892 sounds would amount to 473 words or just under 2 pages of typed text (i.e. 250 words per page). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2013 Author Share Posted February 23, 2013 lols thank you chamcham, that image is what i was looking for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I kinda agree with Owen. Trying to create a sentence that has every sound a human can possibly make. Steven Tyler warms up on a scale on each one of the italian vowels. That's it. Brian Johnson makes an odd sound that sounds as if he is having a problem in the restroom. Ronnie James Dio would warm up with beer and an interview. I'm not advocating these different approaches but I think the original question is over-thinking it, a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Ron, if you know more details about how these guys train and/or warm up, please share as much as you can :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Ron, if you know more details about how these guys train and/or warm up, please share as much as you can It's all in that book by Bill Martin, "The Secrets of Heavy Rock Singers." If I posted the entire contents of the books here, I would surely get complaints for taking up too much space. Edited to add: the bit about Ronnie James Dio drinking a beer and doing an interview - I saw that, watching an actual interview of him by Eddie Trunk of "That Metal Show" fame. And Eddie pointed out, in commentary, that he asked if Ronnie needed to cut the interview short to warm up. Ronnie said no, let's continue. Then, 2 minutes to show time, the stage manager called his cue and he went on did the "Ronnie" thing. So, that was not even a legend or even a self-serving interview. That was documented. I think he could get away with that because he followed his own advice, same that he gave to fellow singer, Ron Keel, who repeated it another interview. Do what it is that your voice can do. Don't do what it cannot do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamcham Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Can someone write down the common larynx position for each of the 44 sounds in the image above? I'm referring to sound produced in a relaxed speaking voice (not yelling or whispering) with an open throat. With each sound write: 1)the sample word used in the chart posted earlier 2)if the larynx is up, neutral, or down 3)if the movement is none at all, slight, moderate, or intense For example, "read,up,moderately" "sit,down,intensely" etc. (I just made that up. It's probably wrong) It would be a useful chart for figuring out how to control the larynx to maintain a neutral position for each sound. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 What could be meant by common larynx position? And is it visible? Some guys have an adam's apple that precedes them when walking into a room. Other guys, not so much. Everyone is built different, with generally the same parts. There's that genetics thingy, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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