High notes and illusion of volume/power???What do you think

[joshual]

Hi there,

I saw that on many singers i like ( Terence Trent D'arby, Richie Kotzen...) especially soul/rock singers.

If i listen to them on cds, it seems(for me) like there's a lot of power/volume in their singing but it's not.

Each time i see i vid online, they are really close to the mic, and i know that even with really great compressors, it's impossible to be close to the mic with a lot of volume...

In the video below : Remember of Richie Kotzen ( him again, lol, i know but he's my god of singing...) In the beginning the notes are already really high 'before you Live' is on C sharp. For me it's like a really powerfull singing without a lot of volume And he's really close to the mic. He just go way from the mic for his high E.

How can i work on that to get that kind of tone? bluesy rapsy souly rocky high notes tone lol....

I have a powerfull clear head voice ( i think) but seems impossible for me to ' build' the sound. And the more i read about twang, the more i realize it's what i have to work on, but also the more i read the less i understand

Thanxs for your explanations and maybe advices

Ps: Robert, i'm gonna check to get a lesson next week...

[VideoHere]

Hi there,

I saw that on many singers i like ( Terence Trent D'arby, Richie Kotzen...) especially soul/rock singers.

If i listen to them on cds, it seems(for me) like there's a lot of power/volume in their singing but it's not.

Each time i see i vid online, they are really close to the mic, and i know that even with really great compressors, it's impossible to be close to the mic with a lot of volume...

In the video below : Remember of Richie Kotzen ( him again, lol, i know but he's my god of singing...) In the beginning the notes are already really high 'before you Live' is on C sharp. For me it's like a really powerfull singing without a lot of volume And he's really close to the mic. He just go way from the mic for his high E.

How can i work on that to get that kind of tone? bluesy rapsy souly rocky high notes tone lol....

I have a powerfull clear head voice ( i think) but seems impossible for me to ' build' the sound. And the more i read about twang, the more i realize it's what i have to work on, but also the more i read the less i understand

Thanxs for your explanations and maybe advices

Ps: Robert, i'm gonna check to get a lesson next week...

hi josh...thanks to you i know about this vocalist.

man....he is great.

(got to get him into my bob's magic moments post.)

i.m.o. as a singer as far as him singing loud, it's the resonance of his head tones on a vowel and his ability to place the sound up and activate the palate plus the support from below (lots of it) that makes his voice amplify and carry so well..

i think it's safe to say if he were in a room in someone's house just singing like that accapella with no mic or anything he'd still be pretty loud at points in terms of volume. early in my career, i had the rare opportunity to meet johnny maestro (the brooklyn bridge) and man when he hit certain notes with certain frequencies it was really quite loud indeed.

here's a great little thing i do: stay off the throat, short quick breath on a yawn, mouth wide open, relax your tongue and jaw, tongue rests on the bottom teeth.....then acting like a spoiled brat, think of how actor paul lynde would speak...sing a scale of neeeeah, but really act!! place it up towards the nose..

[joshual]

thanxs a lot for the tips, i'm gonna try what you said my friend;)

I'm gonna add the vid to your post, just love his high E

[jonpall]

I think VIDEOHERE is right - he's probably fairly loud - but he must be supporting well and not losing his twang in order to do that without losing his voice. That's how he gets his resonating tone - not from pushing and straining with his throat. Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong.

You can scream into the mic very close to it if the input level on the mixer is low. You just have to make sure that the input wave won't show clipping on the meters.

Some of the keys for this type of singing have been said so many times on this site and I'm one of the people who needs to remind myself them regularly, lol. But they are, on the top of my head - the right amount of support, don't lose your twang and an open throat (inhale on a yawn).

If I understand this stuff correctly, the support makes it possible to increase your volume and get a fuller tone and grit on the high notes (among other things) - without hurting your throat, twang protects your voice from your vocals folds being blasted to shreds with too much air and an open throat adds bass frequencies to your sound as well as make room for the muscles in your throat to do their job well.

[VideoHere]

I think VIDEOHERE is right - he's probably fairly loud - but he must be supporting well and not losing his twang in order to do that without losing his voice. That's how he gets his resonating tone - not from pushing and straining with his throat. Correct me, guys, if I'm wrong.

You can scream into the mic very close to it if the input level on the mixer is low. You just have to make sure that the input wave won't show clipping on the meters.

Some of the keys for this type of singing have been said so many times on this site and I'm one of the people who needs to remind myself them regularly, lol. But they are, on the top of my head - the right amount of support, don't lose your twang and an open throat (inhale on a yawn).

If I understand this stuff correctly, the support makes it possible to increase your volume and get a fuller tone and grit on the high notes (among other things) - without hurting your throat, twang protects your voice from your vocals folds being blasted to shreds with too much air and an open throat adds bass frequencies to your sound as well as make room for the muscles in your throat to do their job well.

breathing and breath support has so much to do with high notes, (and low notes!), power, sustaining tones, softness, dynamics, even (but some will argue), vibrato. the list is quite large. i'm convinced it is the single most overlooked attribute (for lack of a better word) in a singer. Me, the big lou gramm fan, has finally figured out that a lot of his power was a well developed breath support system.