mathdel Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Can someone tell me which techniques I should use for this song ? I've done it with my band and my singing didn't sound the way it should: Harder to breathe from Maroon 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 no :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 lol haha. Well man, I could send a video but that wont help much. I use a higher larynx and the higher parts a bit covered, to not overdo. The main issue of this song is the phrasing, lock on the beat and legatto on the chorus. The key phrase, "harder and harder to breath", let it become softer but keep supported. Do you have a good foundation to allow you to work these things? Another approach is to close the focus and just go through it in chest voice, I dont think it sounds nice. If you want something like, lift the tongue, Im sorry but there is nothing we can point in this regard that will fix the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 This is a link with the mp3 of our rehearsal. The quality is really bad, it was recorded with a cellphone, so I'm sorry for that https://www.box.com/s/5ep9h1g9lvuoa5iy934g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 lol haha. Well man, I could send a video but that wont help much. I use a higher larynx and the higher parts a bit covered, to not overdo. The main issue of this song is the phrasing, lock on the beat and legatto on the chorus. The key phrase, "harder and harder to breath", let it become softer but keep supported. Do you have a good foundation to allow you to work these things? Another approach is to close the focus and just go through it in chest voice, I dont think it sounds nice. If you want something like, lift the tongue, Im sorry but there is nothing we can point in this regard that will fix the song. A video would really help, it would be awesome if you would do this ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Ok... Well lets begin from the top. First, lyrics and melody, you rushed a phrase on the beginning, so it kinda surprised you or you were in doubt how/when/what. Then on the second part... Hehe listen to the song more. Another thing. Those little cries on the chorus, some happened on their own, others felt like on purpose, just dont. Technically it is not working well. Main issue is that, overall, its not strong enough to what you are trying to do. Try doing some experimentation at home, pretend that you are mad at your pet and tell it with a firm and secure voice to not eat your shoes anymore. Try to transpose that energy to your singing and let go of the mimic for now. Dont worry if it seems too deep, it will seem deep compared to what you do but its better. It wont be easy to do alone and wont solve the problem man. See if you can get Rob, Daniel or another coach to give you a hand. GL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Ok, there is one here: http://themodernvocalist.punbb-hosting.com/viewtopic.php?id=5048 Dont mimic me, try to go with what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 Ok... Well lets begin from the top. First, lyrics and melody, you rushed a phrase on the beginning, so it kinda surprised you or you were in doubt how/when/what. Then on the second part... Hehe listen to the song more. Another thing. Those little cries on the chorus, some happened on their own, others felt like on purpose, just dont. Technically it is not working well. Main issue is that, overall, its not strong enough to what you are trying to do. Try doing some experimentation at home, pretend that you are mad at your pet and tell it with a firm and secure voice to not eat your shoes anymore. Try to transpose that energy to your singing and let go of the mimic for now. Dont worry if it seems too deep, it will seem deep compared to what you do but its better. It wont be easy to do alone and wont solve the problem man. See if you can get Rob, Daniel or another coach to give you a hand. GL. Thank you filipe, do you know how I can contact these coaches ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 Rob is the owner here. Search for Robert Lunte. DanielFormica is also always around with his pink hat. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 10, 2013 Author Share Posted May 10, 2013 This is a better link, recorded in my home studio: https://www.box.com/s/muyw9rkt1jbg0i9zypuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Starr Posted May 10, 2013 Share Posted May 10, 2013 You need some emotion. It sounds like you're simply just reading the lyrics. You need to interpret the lyrics. Harder and harder to breathe, should be soft and choked i.m.o. Not too choked though. I was in the studio a week back recording a song and I was too focused on technique and singing in a certain way I just lost the intention of the song. My engineer told me to dial back on it all, take 5 and look at what needed to be done. Every time we went back and sang it softer. It was the best time I ever sang. EDIT Recorded this real quick. No warm up. https://www.box.com/s/xwgy9gr0kkqmqnhlp0x1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 You need some emotion. It sounds like you're simply just reading the lyrics. You need to interpret the lyrics. Harder and harder to breathe, should be soft and choked i.m.o. Not too choked though. I was in the studio a week back recording a song and I was too focused on technique and singing in a certain way I just lost the intention of the song. My engineer told me to dial back on it all, take 5 and look at what needed to be done. Every time we went back and sang it softer. It was the best time I ever sang. EDIT Recorded this real quick. No warm up. https://www.box.com/s/xwgy9gr0kkqmqnhlp0x1 Thanks a lot D.star, you're right I didn't focus myself on the right aspects. Manny times when I study techniques I tend to concentrate myself too much on it instead of concentrating on the crucial aspects of the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 mathdel, I actually believe you are approaching it right by first concentrating on the technique part. In EVT (Estill Voice Training) they divide the act of singing up into three parts: Craft --- Artistry --- Craft + Artistry = Performance Magic Thanks for the tip, I'm learning more and more each day on this forum. This is really great ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Thanks for the tip, I'm learning more and more each day on this forum. This is really great ! For an example of this equation in an actual situation, look to anything done by our own Lord Adon or Guitar George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 It sounds to me like you are on the right track. Your tone and weight sound very good for the song. I like the sylistic phrasing you've got going on. I think the biggest thing is rhythmical - you are rushing a lot and the syllables are not landing at the right times. You don't have the rhythm in your mind or in your voice. Thats really the only thing. However it is a biggie - how you handle the rhythm distinguishes an amateur performance from a pro performance. To nail this down you may try slowing it way down - and just try speaking the lines over the music. Don't worry about singing until you've got the rhythm down. While practicing (speaking the lines) really accentuate the consonants - making sure you are "in the groove" - not just your voice, but your whole body. You may need to use a sequencer so you can control the tempo. Master this at a slower speed and then gradually speed up to full speed. Once you nail it down you will have an excellent performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathdel Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 It sounds to me like you are on the right track. Your tone and weight sound very good for the song. I like the sylistic phrasing you've got going on. I think the biggest thing is rhythmical - you are rushing a lot and the syllables are not landing at the right times. You don't have the rhythm in your mind or in your voice. Thats really the only thing. However it is a biggie - how you handle the rhythm distinguishes an amateur performance from a pro performance. To nail this down you may try slowing it way down - and just try speaking the lines over the music. Don't worry about singing until you've got the rhythm down. While practicing (speaking the lines) really accentuate the consonants - making sure you are "in the groove" - not just your voice, but your whole body. You may need to use a sequencer so you can control the tempo. Master this at a slower speed and then gradually speed up to full speed. Once you nail it down you will have an excellent performance. Thank you geno ! I'll defenately work on this. Does someone have videos on this purpose, I mean singing in rythm ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 mathdel - Singing in rhythm is like learning how to play drums, where every hit has to be right on. Singers don't always have to have perfect rhythm, but on a song like this it is really important. I don't know if there are any videos on this. I learned a great tip in high school when learning to play some complex keyboard parts. A teacher once told me "if you can't play it perfectly slow, how would expect to play it perfect fast?" The main thing is to get the rhythm in your voice / body so that it is second nature. Slow the song down to half speed and speak the words. Record yourself and listen back. You'll should be able to hear if you're off. Don't speed up until you are totally comfortable with the rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 metronome+bona and you are set ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 If the song has a strong bass line, get your cues from the bass. The bass and drums reinforce each other and set the pattern for the song. Move to the beat while you sing. Let your body help you with your timing. This will also help you get more comfortable with the song. Feel the groove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 In the video at the head of the thread, I am impressed with the guy's "rubberman" index finger. And MDEW is right, a singer actually sings to the bass guitar because the bass guitar is really a harmony instrument. The voice competes with lead guitar. Notice how the singer punctuates the rhythm, too. Slightly increased oomph on the beat. It's more important than getting the words right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Nice job, Michael. I mean, D. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Starr Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Nice job, Michael. I mean, D. if only I'd warmed up a little. I find it easier to get into the groove if you know the lyrics by heart too. Get to know the song. Interpret each word. Like how I groaned a little on "monster" and cried on "cries". Gives you and the song more character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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