Keeping A Neutral Larynx-Lovv bartione/bass

[Vinziant]

Last month I started on an exercise that is for open throat and throat relaxing, it has really helped the tension that I cut less then a half of vvhat it use to be, but my larynx still go up no matter vvhat.. I'm a lovv voice singer Bass/bartione about about Ab or Bb go to first break, but at E4 I can,t go no vvhere, at C4 I start to feel the tension, and my larynx is high. VVhat my question is, do yall knovv a really go exercise that can start me on keeping my larynx dovvn. I knovv i cant expect changes over night, but i'll rather start of something, novv a little bit at a time, in order to train it stop from move to much. I may be able to start on a note, but den if i go up it moves asvvell. Also i'm vvondering is there some exercies I can do to take..pressure off of my voice because im thinking that its maybe i'm putting pressure on my voice, but thats the only vvay i knovv hovv to get out a note. Thank yall for your time reading, I really need yall's help

[Owen Korzec]

Do you have some money to invest in vocal lessons? That's the most important step you can take.

Neutral larynx is not the solution to the problem you're having, so don't worry about that. That comes later and it's more of a tonal choice, and it's not even a neutral larynx, the larynx still needs to rise as pitch rises, it's just lowering it relative to where it would naturally want to be.

That has nothing to do with not getting above E4. The way to get above E4 is to learn how to lighten up or thin out the voice to release tension so you can go higher, and also to find the right balance between the exhalation power, vocal fold closure, and resonance.

[Vinziant]

At the the time, I'm starting a job soon vvorking soon to save up some money just for that, I've only had vocal lesson, for only 2 years of collage voice so im still a very beginner. Breathe it no problem, for me relaxed easy, no shoulders raised no chest movement...360 breathe no problem, my resonace and vocal fold closure been a problem, thinning out, im so confused about that, like im think hovv is that even possiable. My resonace becomes free through some of my vocal lessons last semster I vvas told i vvas doing head voice resoance. I really do need professional help, im so stuck..

[ronws]

A couple of questions;

Are you saying you've been studying voice in college for two years? Or that you have been to college for two years but have only had a few direct voice lessons?

Also, as a basso, why are you wanting to go above E4?

[Vinziant]

I've studied voice in college for tvvo years ((im so sorry about the double 'v's' i have no VV key)) I vvant to be able to sing songs that I feel pop, RnB, mordern music, most songs are to high, and and if I try to sing octave lovver its to lovv and everyone like use fasletto and that voice piss me off truthfully because my false is the vvorst in the vvorld. Best I can do is sing, third harmony. I just vvant to be a medium range singer atleast, so I can do some songs. Right novv, it feels like it not even possiable...go pass that E4. I'm dieing to sing an E4 vvhile this is lovv to everyone else. It really hurts me.

[Felipe Carvalho]

Hi.

Should your classification be correct, there are options to execute higher material besides using full voice up there, it can be trained.

However, I think its not correct. You stated that you "removed" tensions from your voice one week ago. If there were tensions in the way that were released by simply relaxing the throat a bit, its nearly impossible that your classification done prior to that was precise, and yeah, you will reach E4 on chest voice and, as happens to almost everyone, push it or brake.

So find a good teacher that can do what you seek to do easily, train and solve the problem. There isnt a secret exercise routine that will help you, unfortunately.

[benny82]

As Felipe said, classification may or may not be correct. However Ab3 into mixed voice and E4 into head voice are quite typical for the low voices. A first break at Ab3 would be pretty low, even for an extremely untrained higher voice.

If you stay in chest at E4 there is no chance to stay in a lower larynx configuration, even tenors switch into mixed voice around that note.

Being a bass myself, I can tell you that you have to incorporate head resonance as soon as something like A3, then switch fully into head at E4. This is really a balancing act because as a bass you often have a tendency towards high airflow, which will make you want to yell the notes from E4 on.

In the end, it is really just training, especially training of head resonance and tilt (and using it early!). This often includes training with falsetto at first (even if you don't like it). As a low voice the divergence between chest and falsetto is really really big at first, but it will improve once you learn to use the heavier laryngeal mechanism (M1) within falsetto resonance (head voice). My personal experience is that around G4 you will encounter a point where you have to switch to a lighter timbre and higher larynx configration (sometimes called "pharyngeal" voice).

[ronws]

Felipe hit the nail on the head. If tensions have been reduced in the voice, don't classify it just yet. Wait and see how the voice developes.

[Vinziant]

Thank yall so much! Felipe i never throught about it like that. Thing is my vocal instructor in collage trys to get me to shovv some head voice reasonce at Ab3. I could alvvays go to to C4 and had no break, i felt a change at , A3 doe it felt as if my voice vvas at its strongest around there, but back den I vvas pushing chest.

[Steven Fraser]

Thank yall so much! Felipe i never throught about it like that. Thing is my vocal instructor in collage trys to get me to shovv some head voice reasonce at Ab3. I could alvvays go to to C4 and had no break, i felt a change at , A3 doe it felt as if my voice vvas at its strongest around there, but back den I vvas pushing chest.

Vinziant: The transition toward head resonance starts at different pitches depending on the vowel chosen. For oo and ee, the transition is lower, for bass, even as low as G3. IH, EH and OE (as in foot) will be a bit higher, and AH will be the highest transition. The difference: The frequency of the first formant (F1) for the vowel.

If you want the transition into passaggio to be low, _close_ the vowel. If you want it to be higher, the open the vowel slightly.

I hope this is helpful.

[Jens]

A couple of questions;

Are you saying you've been studying voice in college for two years? Or that you have been to college for two years but have only had a few direct voice lessons?

Also, as a basso, why are you wanting to go above E4?

As a tenor why would you wanna have lownotes? ;)

[ronws]

Thanks, Phil, that was already a given but I always appreciate a cheeky response, even at my own expense.

And touche, Jens. People sometimes want what is so difficult for them.

As a tenor why would you wanna have low notes?

Because I admire them. I think the lowest I have managed is E2, dynamically.

[Felipe Carvalho]

Thank yall so much! Felipe i never throught about it like that. Thing is my vocal instructor in collage trys to get me to shovv some head voice reasonce at Ab3. I could alvvays go to to C4 and had no break, i felt a change at , A3 doe it felt as if my voice vvas at its strongest around there, but back den I vvas pushing chest.

Take care with fachs and classification by "range". Remember that classification is supposed to be used to bring your absolute best into performance, and not to "restrict" your repertoire. The repertoire restrictions should come from you as a self-preservation awareness, not from something like range.

I won't say more without hearing you, but find a teacher that can help you with a more objective approach, 2 years to "relax the throat" is a bit too long for something that should be standard from day one.

GL.