musicavenger27 Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Ab4, A4, Bb4... holding 'em effortlessly... AND he smokes on top of that... how is he still able to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 send a live video with an example....what is effortlessly? it might just appear that way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolito Mystiq Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Yeah. From what I remember, he’s mostly using a lot of false vocal folds for effect, with little room for true vocal fold phonation so you can make a tone out of it, but it’s mostly noise, which makes it sound so effective. But, it doesn’t really take effort. It would take more if he would sing them clean. At least from what I remember. I might be wrong, if you really mean a specific line he’s singing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekreno Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 His technique has actually changed up a bit, not quite as harsh as back in the early days. But yeah, from what I gather, he is/was using a lot of false fold to get that effect. There is a big difference in his style change from the early 2000s. They aren't effortless...look at his neck on the chorus, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Ya'll are over-thinking this. He has a deal with Satan. JK. In the verses, he is in head voice. And I think he just stays in head voice and does his rasp from there. To me, it sounds like leaky air or less than full phonation, such as what Robert was talking about in his cover of "Child in Time." I could be wrong and I usually am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny82 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Yes, he has changed his approach quite a bit. From what I remember he had serious trouble with fold injuries from his harsh singing in the early days of Linkin Park. He uses a much more "heady" approach now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I chester has (or had) a similar style as this guy: I do similar stuff myself (or attempt it) when I sing rock. A part of it is to not be TOO afraid to just go for it, but also to recognize the difference between your throat hurting and just a a bit of effort. There is a bit of squeezing (try to have it above your vocal folds) and increased breath pressure, but also add a bit of yawning to relax the muscles in your throat that don't need to participate and finally, really hold back your airflow (sing like you're holding your breath). Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny82 Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Just had a chance to watch the video. Wow, he is nasal as hell during the verses, especially on EE. And it is totally NOT effortless on that vid, so a source would really be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remylebeau Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 I chester has (or had) a similar style as this guy: I do similar stuff myself (or attempt it) when I sing rock. A part of it is to not be TOO afraid to just go for it, but also to recognize the difference between your throat hurting and just a a bit of effort. There is a bit of squeezing (try to have it above your vocal folds) and increased breath pressure, but also add a bit of yawning to relax the muscles in your throat that don't need to participate and finally, really hold back your airflow (sing like you're holding your breath). Good luck. The last part is key. When you finally have distortion down, it should not hurt or fatigue the voice at all. The only place you should feel some fatigue is in the support muscles. It took me almost a year to be able to consistently distort through the passaggio. Maybe if I had worked harder at it, there would've been less time but I wasn't in any hurry. Even now that I have it down, there are days when I can't really hold the air back correctly and I decide to just go back to clean singing. But on the days when it's working it's awesome. I'll listen to recordings of myself and they sound like I'm tearing my throat apart, but really I feel no strain at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 Just had a chance to watch the video. Wow, he is nasal as hell during the verses, especially on EE. And it is totally NOT effortless on that vid, so a source would really be nice. Yeah he would probably sound better in my ears too if he were less nasal in the verses. But he's just totally epic in the chorus. Such an awesome sound. And singing like that TAKES effort. If it didn't, it would hurt your throat :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolito Mystiq Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 His technique has actually changed up a bit, not quite as harsh as back in the early days. But yeah, from what I gather, he is/was using a lot of false fold to get that effect. There is a big difference in his style change from the early 2000s. They aren't effortless...look at his neck on the chorus, lol Wow, he sounds odd, quite pitchy. It’s similar to how radically different Ronan Keating sounded after I guess some lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekreno Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Here's a crazy collab I just stumbled across...skip to about 1:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 ^ Now, that was cool, Derek. Thanks for sharing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolito Mystiq Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Also, that was a cool clean chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchi Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Cornell FTW. Pretty cool harmonizing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I agree, for the win. I have always liked Chester's version but I feel Chris did a great job, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekreno Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I think you throw any song at Cornell and he's gonna kill it. I remember back around xmas time I heard an Ave Maria cover he did...pretty damn good. But back to the video, his scream on "so insecure" looked and sounded a lot more "effortless" than Chester's. Not knocking Chester, he sounded good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchi Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Well the line is F#4 B4 A4 G#4 and Cornell is very good at that part of his range, most of Soundgarden's songs go even higher and in Audioslave he was banging that B4 all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchi Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Btw, Derek, I like your videos in youtube, are you going to upload some more soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekreno Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Well the line is F#4 B4 A4 G#4 and Cornell is very good at that part of his range, most of Soundgarden's songs go even higher and in Audioslave he was banging that B4 all the time. Trust me, I know...damn you Chris Cornell! Cool, you saw my YT stuff! Yeah, I suppose I may make some more, kinda concentrating on my voice for the time being...stuff I'm trying to build up stronger, the "Cornell" area of my voice, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Agreed, cool vids, Derek. You've got that Tommy Lee look and voice, except that you actually sing. Cool ink, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekreno Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Agreed, cool vids, Derek. You've got that Tommy Lee look and voice, except that you actually sing. Cool ink, too. Thanks dude, I used to get "Tommy Lee" all the time. Now that I've got long hair and beard, it's more "hey, Jesus!"...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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