Hi! Can someone tell me which singing program works best?

[MusicalAsian]

Hello! I want to buy Ken Tamplin's program, does it work well? I heard Singing Success doesn't work well and not sure about Kevin Richards. Can someone please help? Thanks! Oh also if i do buy Ken's program, i don't want to have a rocker sound voice but more of a strong pop voice.

[Owen Korzec]

They all work it just depends on what you're going for and how you learn best. Do a lot of research on your own, through youtube vids etc., and you should be able to make a good decision. Be sure to also check out The Four Pillars of Singing, Complete Vocal Technique, and AApproach. Also most people seem to agree the Mastering Mix program is better than Singing Success if you decide to go with that method.

I wouldn't say any of them are more or less focused on a strong pop voice...maybe not SS/MM as that's lighter, but the other stuff will all work, try to go for what suits your learning style best. That being said, I guess you could say Tamplin's method and CVT are probably the closest to "strong pop voice" as I think of it, based on some of the singers I've heard that have used those methods.

[MusicalAsian]

Thank you so much! I know Ken did bash singing success cause he said SLS will damage your mid voice. What exactly is CVT? Is it just a book or also dvd/cd singing program? I'll check out your other suggestions thanks! What did you personally use?

[Simon Magus]

IMO, there isn't a one-size-fits-all system that's gonna turn someone from zero to hero in the course of a few weeks or months. It's a personal journey of learning about yourself and your instrument. Educate yourself about the physiology of voice, analyze the performances of others you look up to, and read any info you can on how those people trained and what, if any, problems they've had. There's plenty of free info to be found online. Taking personal responsibility for your voice is important, and you should get the feel of what is damaging and what isn't. Anything that leaves you hoarse or causes any discomfort in the throat or decreased range is a sign of improper technique. This is where checking in with a respectable vocal coach or voice teacher every now and then is a positive, as all too often, we think we're doing some exercises we saw or read about correctly, when we're really not.

Rock and pop are largely similar when speaking of pure technique. You should become acquainted with the basics of support, how to care for your voice properly (rest, hydration, warming up, what to avoid, etc), where to feel the vibrations of the voice, and how to release tension in the jaw, tongue, throat area. Things like bridging into head voice don't come naturally to many people, so that's where a few lessons with a respectable vocal coach/teacher might come in handy, unless you want to waste years trying to figure it out on your own, like I did.

Whatever you choose, I wish you luck and hope you drop in from time to time to update us on how things are going and ask any questions that may arise. This site is another "free resource" that you can use in building your voice.

[MusicalAsian]

Thanks! So basically each program works but is targeted towards different sounds? What exactly is CVT? Is it just a book? Is it helpful? My main goal is to develop my mix and be able to belt higher. Im 16 right now and ever since my voice changed My chest voice only goes up to C4. I used to be able to go up to D5 in chest. I really miss being able to belt higher.

[Danielformica]

Any program works if you know how to use it.. ss/sls is not lighter. And others are not heavier it's how you use it and what level you are at. Just practice hard and consistent And don't go beyond what your voice can handle at a specific time. Look at it like any other learned sport or academic. If you didn't know multiplication I'm not gonna throw trigonometry at you. So don't let any one program scare you from another. You could just pick a couple scales 5 tone, arpeggio and work falsetto comfortably as well as singing as high as you can in a comfortable speaking voice. And if you do it consistently you will see improvement.

I'm not affiliated with any of these programs so I'm not gonna bash one or the other.

[derekreno]

There's always the Dan Formica Vocal Program :cool:

[Simon Magus]

Well, if you want to belt, I wouldn't go with SLS, because belting is basically just yelling and SLS doesn't teach a true support going by the people I've talked to who've gone to seminars and such. Mix those two and you've got a surefire ticket to the ENT.

[Owen Korzec]

Thank you so much! I know Ken did bash singing success cause he said SLS will damage your mid voice. What exactly is CVT? Is it just a book or also dvd/cd singing program? I'll check out your other suggestions thanks! What did you personally use?

CVT is a book. Short for Complete Vocal Technique.

I've have Four Pillars of Singing and CVT. Gotten more out of Four Pillars so far, mostly because I've had it longer.

SLS won't DAMAGE your mid voice, it just won't strengthen it as much as it could be strengthened...Ken is very anti-SLS so he sort of exaggerates a bit

[Danielformica]

Owen where are you getting this info.? Don't just say that for the sake of saying it. If you do the exercises correctly and get stronger your sound will get bigger and better. There is no other way you don't just go from 0 to 100 out of the gate it takes time. And again I'm not sticking up for anyone I'm just saying this is how it works. You should know this you have been studying a while but you you can't quite sound like dio yet. . Dio didn't sound like dio when he started he sounded lighter and as time went on he got bigger and better ala Paul Rodgers. Ala Pavarotti it's common sense.

[MusicalAsian]

Is CVT for beginners or only intermediate? Whats the goal of the book? Thanks everyone!

[Owen Korzec]

Dan I had a little experience with SS, in the very beginning. And then I switched to TVS and got better results in a shorter amount of time. That's just my personal experience and I'll leave it at that.

At the end of the day it's never the method's fault though. It could be student/method mismatch but I don't believe SLS is a flawed method in the way Tamplin would argue it to be.

It's not about which method is best, there is no overall best method. It's about doing your research and picking the best method(s) for YOU personally. There are great singers that have gotten from point A to point B in every way imaginable. The only common link is they had the drive to keep going.

[Owen Korzec]

Is CVT for beginners or only intermediate? Whats the goal of the book? Thanks everyone!

It's not marketed to any particular skill level it covers everything. I would personally hesitate to recommend it to beginners because the language it uses is easily misinterpreted, but that's just me.

The goal of the book is the goal of any other singing book/program...to make you a better singer!

[Simon Magus]

I found CVT to be a bit technical as a beginner. It didn't really help me much as a singer, but it was certainly interesting the way it broke down the vocal modes. I wish I still had the book as a reference.

[MusicalAsian]

Okay i wont buy cvt yet thanks again . Im not sure if i should choose The four Pillars or KTVA. Can someone tell me the difference? I also right now have a terrible disconnect/break/crack sound when transitioning from chest to jead or head to chest voice and i cant make it one smooth sound. Do both programs help with making a connected one voice sound too?

[Danielformica]

Singing and just vocalizing get rid of that break. If you don't believe me do this. Practice scales on any vowel in your speaking voice up to d4 on your keyboard or guitar whatever. Then practice doing an owl sound from Bb4 down to Bb3 in your falsetto Mickey Mouse voice. Do this for an hour back and forth then watch how it is little easier to sing. There is no one method.. voice works very simply. I promise you. Some teachers just want you to think they know something you don't but in the end you will see it is very simple. Take it from me I went to alot of Instructors. In the end it's very simple. But alot of teachers will have you believe it's difficult and use some words you don't understand to confuse you into thinking they might have something in your throat they don't.... But unless they are alien they have the same apparatus you do. And it could be explained very easy in a few lessons. That's my challenge to you... To help you understand it quickly and easily:)

[ronws]

The singing program that works best is the one that works best for you. That is why you should follow my "program."

First, get a cat. Then, swing that cat around the room by the tail. Try to match the sound coming from the cat.

Sidenote, it helps if you are wearing welder's gloves while doing this. It doesn't help the singing. It does help protect you from the cat.

:D

[Willise]

There's always the Dan Formica Vocal Program :cool:

Agreed!

I would definitely encourage you to contact Daniel.

[Adolph Namlik]

The singing program that works best is the one that works best for you. That is why you should follow my "program."

First, get a cat. Then, swing that cat around the room by the tail. Try to match the sound coming from the cat.

Sidenote, it helps if you are wearing welder's gloves while doing this. It doesn't help the singing. It does help protect you from the cat.

:P:lol::cool:

[ronws]

Thanks, Adolph, for appreciating my sense of humor. I am not making light of singer training systems. And we have numerous threads like this. Some of them detoured into "my dog is bigger than your dog" competitions. It really boils down to the language that works for the singing student. Some like the terms and mental images from CVT. Some like the language and approach of 4 Pillars. Some like the alignment exercises and you can find those in both 4 Pillars and EVT, though the approaches may be different.

Some prefer the top down approach of Frisell. Others like KTVA. Some see that as a chest up system. In my understanding, it is a follow the volume and resonance system.

So, no, I don't really recommend swinging a cat (and I am still healing from the last lesson :mad: ).

What a person could do is look at the different forums involved. The three systems we all discuss here have forums. Nominally, this forum is relatively heavy on 4 Pillars. No surprise. It is Lunte's system, this is his forum, though the latitude is wide for discussing all systems. KTVA and CVT also have forums and although, other systems are not forbidden in discussion there, the members tend to stick to the system exemplified by each respective forum.

Each system seems to have produced astounding singers capable of great performances. Martin H studied a number of systems and I think he used to discuss a lot of CVT. Geno is very much involved with KTVA, though I don't think he posts much on that forum.

Randy Loran is awesome.

Owen has a neat "Trent Reznor" sound to his voice. I am still waiting for a NIN - ish version of "Child in Time."

:)

[Sun]

Singing and just vocalizing get rid of that break. If you don't believe me do this. Practice scales on any vowel in your speaking voice up to d4 on your keyboard or guitar whatever. Then practice doing an owl sound from Bb4 down to Bb3 in your falsetto Mickey Mouse voice. Do this for an hour back and forth then watch how it is little easier to sing. There is no one method.. voice works very simply. I promise you. Some teachers just want you to think they know something you don't but in the end you will see it is very simple. Take it from me I went to alot of Instructors. In the end it's very simple. But alot of teachers will have you believe it's difficult and use some words you don't understand to confuse you into thinking they might have something in your throat they don't.... But unless they are alien they have the same apparatus you do. And it could be explained very easy in a few lessons. That's my challenge to you... To help you understand it quickly and easily:)

I strongly agree with this, as someone who has read a lot/searched for the magic trick here I am now doing basically one exercise (and some variations) and seeing great results with the voice.

All you need is a few good exercises done correctly, do them consistently. Some supplementary voice knowledge is great for understanding what happens/why you do things.

[jonpall]

I strongly agree with this, as someone who has read a lot/searched for the magic trick here I am now doing basically one exercise (and some variations) and seeing great results with the voice.

All you need is a few good exercises done correctly, do them consistently. Some supplementary voice knowledge is great for understanding what happens/why you do things.

Which exercise is that?

And in what way is it magical?

[Jens]

Which exercise is that?

And in what way is it magical?

Have you missed the one true exercise!?

Gosh jon your so behind ;)

[benny82]

The singing program that works best is the one that works best for you. That is why you should follow my "program."

First, get a cat. Then, swing that cat around the room by the tail. Try to match the sound coming from the cat.

Sidenote, it helps if you are wearing welder's gloves while doing this. It doesn't help the singing. It does help protect you from the cat.

Ron, you should really use a dog! Using a cat will DAMAGE your lower range imo. Dogs can alternate between barking and whimpering, which will improve both your lower and upper range. ;)

[Sun]

I'll let you in on the magic exercise if you buy my exclusive vocal program $5000 put octaves on your voice guaranteed.

What I meant was my quest for magic failed now I'm stuck doing the meat and potatoes exercises and they work