Keith Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Can someone explain these for me? I find it annoying that I am unable to do either one. Are they important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jco5055 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Don't quote me on this, as you can see the other thread (about my difficulty producing any kind of phonation, even falsetto, like C5 and above) I started on why I'm not currently trying it out to test, but I think both are similar to the "quack and release" onset as they are used to find twang. I can still remember quacking/cackling a lot to try to get compression like a year ago. I think for the cackle (I've never tried the squeaky door) that you should produce an " EEEE EEE EEE" in the head voice. I would post an example if I was currently practicing this very minute, but like I said above, I'm not going to attempt to out of practice and possibly hurt myself. Sorry if you are a learner by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicogratouille Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Hi Keith, can you do vocal fry? If I am not mistaken, the "squeaky door" is a very edgy sound on an 'ee' vowel. This tool is useful is you tend to flip at your first bridge or generally lack cord closure. You can do it staccato (easier to get closure) or legato. If you can do vocal fry you should have no problem doing the "squeaky door". Depending on your voice this might or might not be a good exercise for you. About the witches cackle. Isn't it just some kind of very nasty sound used to find "twang"? It can help thin out the cords and connect your head register to your chest. So that would be the same type of sound as a whiny nasty "nay". You can also try "miaow", like a cat. Or imitate a baby crying. Hope that helps, Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 keith, maybe it would help to approach it from the "actor" in you. "neeah" just like a kid making fun of another kid...you know, when a little kid wants to make fun of another they sing something like "harry's got a big head..."neeah, neeah......neeah, neeah, neeah..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 What they are after when saying Witches Cackle is twang. The same sound is used as Bob suggested A BRATTY WINEY CHILD. Also the AFLACK DUCK when he says AFLACK. The Sound is also used in mimicing a diving Airplane. BUGS BUNNY "AAAANH" that he uses before "What's up doc?" Creaky Door is just what is says. The sound of a door creaking. I can usually get this sound in the upper range better in the morning . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Bob idea is good to produce it. However there is the whole issue of why and how you will make use of it in your singing... Not necessarily its a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 But are these sounds important? Will they further my vocal success? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicogratouille Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Not necessarily its a solution. I agree 100% Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilad Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Keith: I am trying to achieve vocal fry. From my understanding it will help achieve better closure, and better control in the long run.... Not happening to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 absolutely beneficial. absolutely. it helps with your mix and your range, plus holding on to a note up high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Keith, It sounds to me that in the Video of your band you are already using the effects of the WITCHES CACKLE or twang. In the lower parts the sound that you use is sharp and compressed rather than Soft and smooth like Bing Crosby. You also use it in the higher areas of your voice. The sneer that can be seen on your face when you sing higher is evidence of it. In your video at 2:24 "What am I doing?" "I don't under-STAND" on the stAND you add a little distortion type of thing. THAT is twang WITCHES CACKLE. In the midrange you seem to be singing more OPEN less TWANGY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 OK. Teach me Bob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 keith, sure, feel free to skype with me. it's not hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i think you could be just trying to hard to do it. Dont try so hard just go to any youtube video of someone doing it and do it just like they do real simple no big support or anything for that exercise. just simple sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilad Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Yet some of us, just can't do it on command.... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 yes you can. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 i agree with dan.......try to access your playful side. this is an easy exercise with a big payoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Witches Cackle....Twang........Wicked Witch of the West.......Witch on Bugs Bunny........Bugs Bunny......Lucille Ball(I love Lucy)......Fran Dresher.......Ethel Merman.......Edith Bunker........Whiney Brat Down the road ........ Afflack Duck........Quack..........Diving Airplane....... Curly from the Three Stooges..."OH! WISEGUY! Aye. I had been mimicing all of these things for years never realizing that they were helpful to singing. Most of the "Singing Guides" that I read would always mention OPEN THROAT which I always viewed as opposite to what these sounds represent. The sound will guide you to the coordination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 mdew, great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Snging is mental. You have to allow yourself to make these sounds, even to the extreme. Later, you can "dial it back" to fit what you are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 exactly my brother........we should all be exploring sound making... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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