Danielformica Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 I posted this in bobs magic moments and got no feedback.. Some people aske how I learned to sing and besides all the lessons I took later on through my career,(more just to see what I was doing when I did it right and how the voice works) singing along countless hours, blowing my voice out to Sam Cooke, Luther Vandross, Rod Stewart , Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye etc.. Is how I learned to sing.. Putting my ear to the speaker and feeling the sound and where and how they sang even when I couldn't reach the notes and blew myself out.. Here is a perfect example of great technique.. And go listen to him live at the Copa or live at the Harlem square club and listen to the rasp and the working he does but yet he is still on pitch not flat and not all light like some of you might think from hearing his studio stuff. This is the best lesson I can offer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htDEBOyUH_w Listen and watch.. You won't see him bearing down like he's taking a dump or look like he's thinking about covering or lowering his larynx or not moving his lips like a ventriloquist. Then if you think well he's just a light blah blah blah go listen to the Harlem square show and tell me he's got no umph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePowerOfOne Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 his was a great and very sexy vocal performance ,but with all due respect Dan: 1 - This is indeed a lighthearted "easy" performance that doesn't take too much effort to deliver well for a trained vocalist. 2 - Your closing statement comes off as condescending. I'm sure he wasn't thinking about any of this stuff DURING PERFORMANCE, but you don't know for sure how or what he was practicing, experimenting or training with when off camera, not recording or not performing live. It comes off like your criticizing people for wanting to learn and to discuss technique. Isn't that what this forum is for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 that last part was more about learning how to sing verses choosing to be scared by all the voodoo that goes into technique these days verses singing. Not condescending if I came off like that I'm sorry please forgive I'm truly just trying to help in a different way And again light hearted is still singing go listen to the Harlem square show. See I knew someone would say that ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Daniel - thanks for that. I didn't know too much about Sam cook before. That's a cool video and really illustrates what you're saying. I've been taking this type of approach since March and it is paying off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 Good for you Geno. You have always been someone that has worked hard at what you do, and it shows.. And check out the live at the Copa and Harlem square shows. This is my secret to singing success.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! I PRESENT TO YOU ONE OF THE MOST AWESOME SINGING IN HISTORY - SAM COOKE LIVE AT THE HARLEM SQUARE CLUB IN 1963, SINGING BRING IT ON HOME. PEOPLE - THIS IS SIMPLY TESTIFYING: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 He's blasting out screamed A4 over and over again like it's nothing ... or like his life depended on it! And goes to C5 later in the song. This is something you have to listen to all the way to the end. THIS is how you sing. (did I already say that? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Great singing, some really metal sounding notes in the harlem clip too! Either way Daniel makes a good case, there is no physical need to move in order to sing, however there is a need to support and effort levels can be subjective. However from observing monster singers live and just singing you shouldn't have to kill yourself to sing. I mean how much effort is it even possible to exert with your core alone? Tensing the lats or abs to 100% or whatever is not exactly hard work compared to say, heavy squats :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 If you want to go to School.... Go to Motown...... I don't know if Berry Gordy had a knack for developing talent or finding it, but it's all good. A lot of our early 70s hits were first recorded by Motown artists. 70s rockers just replaced some of the horn lines with distorted electric guitar riffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 great, great, singing.....why? i say a big component was his super strong mind/body connection. i watched a docu on him that dan told me about.....he was a guy loaded with confidence and self esteem, felt there wasn't anything he couldn't do and more...... when you sing from a platform of "man, i'm getting up here and i'm gonna tell you all about it"...it just works.....his audience felt it because he felt it honestly.... that's the x factor!!! now here's the tender side of him...equally moving.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0N1azg9TI4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekreno Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 That's some killer vocals. This thread reminds me of something I heard from Jamie Vendera the other day. Exercise does not develop the singer, it only strengthens the instrument. So sing, to become a better singer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 17, 2013 Author Share Posted October 17, 2013 That's some killer vocals. This thread reminds me of something I heard from Jamie Vendera the other day. Exercise does not develop the singer, it only strengthens the instrument. So sing, to become a better singer. that sort of reminds me of this video;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Yes singing have this way of being more complicated than exercises, and people somehow do not seem to care about 5 tone major scales so much... Awesome Dan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamedhi Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Danielformica, I actually saw your post, and although I didn't write too much about it, besides "Sam Cooke is epic" hahah I did a pretty extensive analysis by myself later. Thanks for providing me of an excellent source of study, Daniel. I knew him, but there is an incredible amount of material in youtube to learn from, that I wasn't aware of. [Daniel, please upload more videos to your channel!! heheh ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Ok here's another secret! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBaBGBJwIGY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 dan, i'm sure aretha had a bad night here and there..if Pavarotti did, anyone did.....lol!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 18, 2013 Author Share Posted October 18, 2013 Yeah I'm not saying that..everyone has bad nights some just more than others cause the technique is slightly off.. But this is a free vocal lesson thread please don't turn it into Lou Gramm thread:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 lol!!!! we have one those already.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Yeah I'm not saying that..everyone has bad nights some just more than others cause the technique is slightly off.. But this is a free vocal lesson thread please don't turn it into Lou Gramm thread:) Depends on who is your "sacred cow." Oops, I think I said that out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felipe Carvalho Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Dan: hahah check the low note there . So awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 Dan: hahah check the low note there . So awesome! That was awesome!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gno Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Ok here's another secret! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBaBGBJwIGY Awesome performance. I never saw that before. She's nearly flawless and it's totally live (no touch-ups). Why is she so good Daniel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielformica Posted October 19, 2013 Author Share Posted October 19, 2013 I believe it has to do with the right balance of air and cord closure without messing with the larynx or locking anything. And keeping in mind that singing is counter intuitive. As you sing higher use the same effort and think its not a higher note, its moving across not up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VideoHere Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 time to get back at you dan.........lol!!!! i think it's years of belting her ass off wildly in church to the point of now it's easier to do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDEW Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 :) I agree with both of you. But the counter intuitive thing is what gets us stuck and not try that belting thing for years because of that change in voice character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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