Air is never enough / Is my lung too small??

[arnolduis]

Good night (at least for me )

I have been singing for several years now, doing well with easy musical songs, and quet well with the Kiske - Helloween songs.

I am a TMV reader since long time ago ... (uh, bad english.., sorry..)

After several weeks of pause in singing, I'm on building back the vocal aparatus. Firstly started running, breathing exercises, breathing

through straw, etc, end than vocalising... And the next target: Vision Divine....

Aaaaaaaaaah!!! Why Luppi Why?

watch this and comment please...

What do i need for that?

Actually he sing very light in the chorus, but weighty on the last long note(20 secs?)...

I feel that im running out of breath during chorus, and doesnt matter how hard i support, and light i try to sing, its not the same...

Possible that i have too small lungs? Have i got any chance to have a bigger one?

Please wright something,

and thank you for replies,

and bye,

Arnold

[Sheepdog]

I doubt your lungs are too small, since many singers and instructors actually say to only inhale *3/4ths of your lung capacity (like Ken Tamplin, and his voice is insanely powerful). Sometimes breathing in TOO much actually causes you to run out of breath quicker, since it's harder to control, you don't get all the "old air" out before you breath in again, AND it causes tension in your neck because your throat has to help keep the air in.

Are you taking low breaths with your ribs, stomach and back expanding, and making sure your shoulders and chest don't rise?

Also, when you sing, you should be able to hold a candle in front of your mouth and not disturb the flame. (This is a popular classical technique I learned from a friend)

So, I think that you are either breathing in TOO much, you aren't breathing in low, or you are exhaling too much air while singing. But I'm just a beginner repeating what I've read, so I'll leave it to more experienced members on this forum to correct me.

*edited upon correction

[joshual]

Isn't more 3/4 full??? To keep the rib cage expanded.

[Sheepdog]

Isn't more 3/4 full??? To keep the rib cage expanded.

Oh, whoops, you're right!

[ronws]

What I have found is that a note that long is not based on having the lungs of a free diver, such as those that harvest pearls. It is about proper holding of the note in the vocal folds. You'd be surprised how long you can hold a note by not wasting air.

[Snax]

I posted a song not long ago called My Yiddishe Momme and at the end I hold a very long note. I don't have exceptional lung capacity and I could have kept the note going even longer than I did. I just made sure to not blow too much air out as I sang the note and used proper resonance to get the volume not air power. Hope you understand what I mean.

[jonpall]

That Vision Divine song is not the easiest song in the world you know? Attempting it if you're not used to singing like that a lot, can make your support system very tired. You need to train more but take it in baby steps. So try to sing the song very slowly and make it sound as good as you can. When you can do that (it could take you weeks or months) try increasing the speed until your get to the correct speed. That's something you could try.

[arnolduis]

Huh, is just done my exam of mathematical analysis...

Back to singing

I'm so thankful, for all of your replies

Yes, the inhalation sensation, that was what Vendera says a lot...yes, now i remember...

Lastly i was listening to the two albums of Lost Horizon, -wow...-. It's singer

uses a very breathy, but powerful tone when he goes for a scream(or just that is

what i hear through my cheap earphones... ) and it doesnt seems very "inhaled" to me,

it sounds very forward..

So i dont have to call the doctor for a lung transplantation, well...

The advice with singing it slowly helps a lot, but I'm still too far away from that song...

Any more recommendations? For example with the breathing excersizes

This is what i do:

-Deep breathing for a while.

-Deep breathing to the stomach.

-Leaning backward, and strech with full of air.

-Breath in through straw.

-Breath out through the straw slawly.

-Blowing the straw, that i prevoiusly closed with my fingers.(Actually holding a strang blowing muscle structure in the stomach, for static excersise)

-Blowing all of the air out, and hold it, not locking throat

-Breathe in fully, and when i couldnt suck in more air, keeping the throat the nose, and all opened, and keep breathing in(yes i cannot more, but its a static muscle excersise too)

-Then holding breath simply

Is it ridiculous? Too much? Or simply nonsense?

What do you think?

Thank you again, for helping me immediatly, and helping me for friendship...

Thank you, and bye

Arnold

[VideoHere]

Huh, is just done my exam of mathematical analysis...

Back to singing

I'm so thankful, for all of your replies

Yes, the inhalation sensation, that was what Vendera says a lot...yes, now i remember...

Lastly i was listening to the two albums of Lost Horizon, -wow...-. It's singer

uses a very breathy, but powerful tone when he goes for a scream(or just that is

what i hear through my cheap earphones... ) and it doesnt seems very "inhaled" to me,

it sounds very forward..

So i dont have to call the doctor for a lung transplantation, well...

The advice with singing it slowly helps a lot, but I'm still too far away from that song...

Any more recommendations? For example with the breathing excersizes

This is what i do:

-Deep breathing for a while.

-Deep breathing to the stomach.

-Leaning backward, and strech with full of air.

-Breath in through straw.

-Breath out through the straw slawly.

-Blowing the straw, that i prevoiusly closed with my fingers.(Actually holding a strang blowing muscle structure in the stomach, for static excersise)

-Blowing all of the air out, and hold it, not locking throat

-Breathe in fully, and when i couldnt suck in more air, keeping the throat the nose, and all opened, and keep breathing in(yes i cannot more, but its a static muscle excersise too)

-Then holding breath simply

Is it ridiculous? Too much? Or simply nonsense?

What do you think?

Thank you again, for helping me immediatly, and helping me for friendship...

Thank you, and bye

Arnold

arnie, jonpall is right...that is a very challenging vocal.

here's one of the gold standard breathing exercises:

sustained breath..look it up...one of the best...get up to 30 or more seconds

[chele1000]

hi,

He has very good control of his upper register and head voice sound. He is not using distortion...which is in contrast withe heavy metal sound being played by the band. (maybe here and there but not much distortion).

This is a very big challenge. He has practiced many hours to master his range.

Everyone is correct by saying that you should not try to get to "full" lung capacity. You only take the amount of breath necessary to carry the line or lines you need before your next breath. Holding a note is finding the sweet spot and sound you want and just using minimal air flow. I sing Evergreen by Barbra Streisand and it finishes with 24 bars of ....greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen. LOL

Good luck!

[arnolduis]

Oh, i'm becoming a little confused, so to clarify some things.

Vision Divine's Michele Luppi doesnt use distortion. He's voice is light, and heady, and so pleasant to me..

Lost Horizonn's Daniel Heiman has a very tenory voice, more childy than Luppi, and what makes very interesting

contrast within hes contrast. But Daniel uses he's pure voice 50% of the time, the healthy distorted 45%, and that breathy thing,

that sounds painful, which couldn't becouse he still has this pure voice nowadays, 5% of the time, when he goes high.

Let me show you some examples:

Pure voice(from 0:53):

Healthy Distorted(from 1:16):

Breathy high(from 4:02):

I wrote down when it goes interesting, but, i suggest to listen to the whole songs, these are masterpeaces...

1.Question now only on the Breathy high.. Healthy?

Other question about health. Yesterday I sung a lot. starting with lot of lipbubbles, than Raise me Up, the Westlife version, than Eye of the Tiger, than to that vision divine

song slowly, than to Helloween - How many tears.. Huh, i hardly found my placements to that one. i think it was bit early yet. And today i feel a little strange. Dont have

any problems with speaking. My voice was tired , but not breathy, yesterday and today, and didnt hurt, only i feel my whole neck uhm.., heavy and strangely full.

my singing voice is clean, nothing breathy, but its a little to sing, everithing is weighty, and too clean, uhm, heavily clean.. so i couldnt sing today well. 2.Could it be a

sign of something really really bad (way to nodule) ot is it just a simple tiredness?

Ohm..., VIDEOHERE, 3.that sustained breath, refers to hissing the air out as long as i can?

Otherwise...

Barbara Streisand is great chele1000...

Good luck to you with the song too.

[ronws]

Maybe we could hear an example of your singing to determine what you are talking about. You may have something that can be corrected. Or, you might be fine and are simply not able to sound like some of these singers. Sometimes, I think, it wouldn't matter what notes you can hit, you won't sound like them because every individual is unique. That being said, I have heard singers who sound similar to each other.

[VideoHere]

Oh, i'm becoming a little confused, so to clarify some things.

Vision Divine's Michele Luppi doesnt use distortion. He's voice is light, and heady, and so pleasant to me..

Lost Horizonn's Daniel Heiman has a very tenory voice, more childy than Luppi, and what makes very interesting

contrast within hes contrast. But Daniel uses he's pure voice 50% of the time, the healthy distorted 45%, and that breathy thing,

that sounds painful, which couldn't becouse he still has this pure voice nowadays, 5% of the time, when he goes high.

Let me show you some examples:

Pure voice(from 0:53):

Healthy Distorted(from 1:16):

Breathy high(from 4:02):

I wrote down when it goes interesting, but, i suggest to listen to the whole songs, these are masterpeaces...

1.Question now only on the Breathy high.. Healthy?

Other question about health. Yesterday I sung a lot. starting with lot of lipbubbles, than Raise me Up, the Westlife version, than Eye of the Tiger, than to that vision divine

song slowly, than to Helloween - How many tears.. Huh, i hardly found my placements to that one. i think it was bit early yet. And today i feel a little strange. Dont have

any problems with speaking. My voice was tired , but not breathy, yesterday and today, and didnt hurt, only i feel my whole neck uhm.., heavy and strangely full.

my singing voice is clean, nothing breathy, but its a little to sing, everithing is weighty, and too clean, uhm, heavily clean.. so i couldnt sing today well. 2.Could it be a

sign of something really really bad (way to nodule) ot is it just a simple tiredness?

Ohm..., VIDEOHERE, 3.that sustained breath, refers to hissing the air out as long as i can?

Otherwise...

Barbara Streisand is great chele1000...

Good luck to you with the song too.

yes, a deep breath... expand all the way around to your back..then let the air out with a sustained "s" slowly while you maintain your expansion in the back