babystar Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Hello... I wonder if you could help me with which singng technique I should stick to, to get this kind of sound. Check out this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkw0YaS8Gk I'm interested in getting' a powerful R&B kind of voice. Like chesty sound. This hurts me to say, but I don't want any CVT-answers More estill, SLS och SS or whatever. I hope that you can help me! THanks / C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 10, 2010 Share Posted July 10, 2010 Well, sorry, but she ain't singing chest voice. Plenty o' twang and some curbing, even whistle fully in the head space, but no chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalapoka Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Wow Mariah...that's a hard one! To my ears it sounds like she is singing in a strong mixed voice, and strong head voice on the higher parts. In terms of SLS/Brett Manning, if you have the Mastering Mix CDs, you should work on the mix voice exercises. CD 2 of MM, which focuses on head voice. CD 3 & 4 of MM focuses on mix voice. Do you have those programs (SS or MM)? or do you want more specific answers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystar Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 Thank you for the anwers. ronws, I don't mean chesty in a way that she sings in chest voice. I mean more powerful restrained sound. Maybe I explained bad. kalapoka, Yeah, I know in CVT-terms I wanna learn curbing, but I wanna try out other terms than CVT. I learned mix voice before with an Estill teacher, but later I lost the technique and I must relearn it again.. I sadly don't have the Mastering Mix CDs, although I have the Singing Success 12 CD's or how many there is now. Do you know which of the Singing Success CDs I should check out for practising hard mix? I actually wanna learn to sing mix in general. Like soft mix and hard mix, so I can play around with it later. If you don't mind to give more specific answers, I would be very happy if you could do that. Thank you / Claudia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 I understand better, now. But I am not a vocal coach or teacher. I'm just an electrician that likes to sing, whether I become successful at it or not is another story. Although, like you and many others here, we are all driven to excel in what we do and it is our passion. So, good luck and sing with your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analog Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Claudia, you're too funny Okay...so maybe this will help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwUnXXAtqxA&feature=related SS talks about compression(instead of CVT's "hold.") Same thing. Maybe get a monthly subscription to SSO and see if that helps clarify things for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystar Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 ronws, I see, the same with me. I've no job tho, I'm just singing atm. HAHA, Analog,, ur here too? Don't take me wrong that I ask questions here now. I just wanted to discover a bit. This clip helped me. So SS compression is like CVT's Hold?? 'Cause on the clip it sounded plaintive. Pretty funny In this clip: He talks about light mix, head mix, nasal mix, compression mix and everything that.. is that like singing curbing by adjusting the hold? Like if I want light mix, I sing with lighter hold? And compressed mix, with LOTS OF HOLD, and so on? I find this Mastering Mix program pretty interesting. I still love CVT! But maybe I learn the curbing mode better in another way. I wonder what you think about this Mastering Mix Program. Can I just start with this program withouth Starting with his first Singing Success program? I already have my own singing plan on how to extend my vocal range. And I know Overdrive, Edge and Neutral. Or you think I should stick back with the CVT and work on the hold there? I just wonder if it is like that. THat If I want a light mix than I should make a lighter hold and if I want compression mix I just put on lots of hold? I'm thankful for answers. I enjoy talkin' about singing! And Analog, you made it pretty clear to me with the clip. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalapoka Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Hey Claudia! Glad to know some one is interested in Mastering Mix :D:D (loooong funny story lol) But answering your question about if MM can be used without SS, it totally can be. SS focuses more on starting out, basic exercises for the starting student, extending range, starting to develop the mix sound, and then teaches some very nice Pop, RnB licks. MM on the other hand focuses totally on the Mix sound. It goes deep into the mix sound, and each cd is dedicated to various types of mix - edgy, high, light etc. It is also very well organized with all the mp3 exercises, explanations and a dvd. Since I don't know CVT, I cannot relate SLS exercises to CVT exercises or terminology. However, since I can see that you have already been learning CVT/Estill, you can easily start MM with out the SS program. You just need to be aware of some very basic terms like larynx, dopey sounds etc, all of which you can learn from the MM program itself. Also, it is a very good idea to see all the youtube clips available online plus at the SSO site so that you can have an idea of what it has to offer before going any further. One last thing about the SS program is that it has very nice RNB licks/trill etc in the later CDs, which should be very useful to you since you want to develop in this genre. Hope I helped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystar Posted July 11, 2010 Author Share Posted July 11, 2010 Kalapoka, Thank you so much for all that description you gave me! I think i wanna try out the Mastering Mix program. I just wonder how I should start it because I actually don't have any description. Do I just start with CD1 and the first track? Or if i just wanna have the strong mixed sound, should I look up CD 3 and 4? / C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted July 11, 2010 Administrator Share Posted July 11, 2010 Before you make any decisions on a training system, I invite you to take a close look at my, "The Four Pillars of Singing". I can teach you what you need and want to learn. Start by sending me your files to robert@thevocaliststudio.com. I can pretty much guarantee you results. At TVS we dont try to "master a mix" because "mixed voice" does not exist... its a marketing thing and a term used in the business that has no proper definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalapoka Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Kalapoka, Thank you so much for all that description you gave me! I think i wanna try out the Mastering Mix program. I just wonder how I should start it because I actually don't have any description. Do I just start with CD1 and the first track? Or if i just wanna have the strong mixed sound, should I look up CD 3 and 4? / C. Hi again Claudia, Thanks for your thanks (?) :S Lol... anyway, if you have the MM program, disk 1 builds your chest voice, disk 2 builds your head voice, and then from disk 3 it starts to build the mixed voice one block at a time. If you are quite sure that you have a strong chest and head voice then you can just start from disk 3 onwards. But it won't hurt you to give the chest voice cd a listen and may be try out the exercises once or twice? Also, you should watch the dvd first just to have an idea what's coming up in the cds. Since its quite a big program with many discs and files, it will take a little time to get to the end of it. The best thing you can do is start somewhere, see how that feels, analyze the results, and keep moving on with patience. I don't rush myself through cds & exercises cuz that's a surefire way to actually not progress and keep running in circles. Actually both SS and MM programs have introductory tracks which tells you how the program is going to progress. The first 2-3 cds of SS are actually introduction to the program and discussions about various areas of singing, common questions, problems and misconceptions. If you have them, I would suggest (i know this is boooring zzzz) that you take some time to listen to the cds. . hope that helps! love, peace and happiness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalapoka Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Oh and do call me Fahim, Claudia!! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystar Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 Hehe, Hey Fahim! I have quiet strong headvoice and chest voice, but I want a powerful hard mixvoice. I'll still have a look at the CD's! But what is every CD exactly teaching about? Doesn't it include a manual of wht the exercises are about? How many CD's should I follow to create the Hard Mix sound? Or should I learn all the sounds of mix voice? What I also thought about that I mainly wanna learn, is that if I can learn strong mix voice up very high in my voice.. I want a strong mixvoice from F4-F5... Does it learn that in the MM CD's?? Robert Lunte, Do you have a website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolaChau Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 This is Robert's website http://www.thevocaliststudio.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Robert Lunte Posted July 19, 2010 Administrator Share Posted July 19, 2010 Hey guys... www.TheVocalistStudio.com Also, check out... www.TheVocalistStudio.com/Endorsements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalapoka Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Hehe, Hey Fahim! I have quiet strong headvoice and chest voice, but I want a powerful hard mixvoice. I'll still have a look at the CD's! But what is every CD exactly teaching about? Doesn't it include a manual of wht the exercises are about? How many CD's should I follow to create the Hard Mix sound? Or should I learn all the sounds of mix voice? What I also thought about that I mainly wanna learn, is that if I can learn strong mix voice up very high in my voice.. I want a strong mixvoice from F4-F5... Does it learn that in the MM CD's?? Hey Claudia, the MM package contains a DVD and CDs, I got the digital version so I didn't get a manual. Its a systematic approach so you gotta start doing the exercises from the start, and stick with them for some time actually. there are no short cuts. one more thing, you cannot take your mixed voice VERY high in your voice. after a certain point, you have to use your head tones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpall Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Claudia, IMO you already know everything you need to know to get you to where you want to go, singing wise, in particular to that mixed/curbing sound. You just need to train and not confuse yourself this much. You can of course do Skype lessons or MSN Messenger chats with some of the people here to help you. If your not careful, your confusions will stop you from achieving your goals. Also what people want to hear in a singer's voice is confidence, most of the time. You have all those things and more. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babystar Posted July 25, 2010 Author Share Posted July 25, 2010 one more thing, you cannot take your mixed voice VERY high in your voice. after a certain point, you have to use your head tones. Fahim, Is it possible to take my mixed voice up to F5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Agree with jonpall, you start the same threads over and over again and you get answears. Use those answears and train the exercises give it a year or two. There is no magic way! it takes time, and training take lessons get centered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Fraser Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Fahim, Is it possible to take my mixed voice up to F5? babystar: Some can. Highest I have heard is G, but you have to use exactly the right vowel modifications. As an example of a very stylized performance, listen to this recording of Patti LaBelle, singing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1tn0PgTw1E The note on the syllable 'Nev' (of Never) in the last phrase is an F. Best Regards, Steven Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronws Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 One of the good things in life. A treasure to have Patti Labelle among us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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