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Yep, dig it. Gospel singers strike again. I doubt he ever read the CVT book or any technical book on singing... however the vowels are clearly directed toward CVT curbing vowels.

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watch the video wiseguy...lol!!!

one thing is certain, that's what i call serious full voice range.

i hear him staying closed in on his vowels no spatting.....i hear shades of "uh" and "oo" that send him up with such power.

you also hear the intense cry to his vocal...

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Am i the only one who finds this terrible? :P He sounds like a Cartoon pig from nickelodeon singing, it's so nasal.

So bob you must be drunk haha, or lay off with the drugs haha ;) Daniel sounds ten times better then this

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I hear similarities between this guy and Dan but not on tone, it's more of the vibrato and some of the vowel shades. Maybe that's what Bob means.

As far as tone I agree with Jens, Dan you are miles better than him.

I don't know if it's just a matter of vocal tract shape or an difference in technical approach, but there are quite of few tenors I've heard that sing with a similar tone to Johnny - completely lacking in low end depth in their sound and just like they're focusing their resonance entirely into all the most fatiguing frequencies for the ears to listen to - the mid high stuff...I was never a fan of that sound and I know many people who aren't.

There are those guys with the shrill high voice gimmick that can keep my attention for a short competition like that, and then there are the folks like Dan who use a more balanced tone that you don't get tired of even hours later. That's why I feel singing with great tone is far more important than high notes. It's cool that we can appreciate a little contest like this though just for technical skill alone

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idk, I think his tone's not bad, if anything he is a bit androgynous sounding when he sings his highest notes, similar to Adam Lambert imo.

Since Owen mentioned the tone difference when he sings high, I'm curious: how would you describe Mark Slaughter's singing when he sings high? Is it his "natural" tone or is he doing something else? At least for me, I'd have to "fake it" if I wanted to sing this song or "Fly to the Angels" like Mark.

Sorry if I'm jacking this thread, but I've always been curious.

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no that's not what i mean. Totally different thing. Mark is not singing in his natural voice the whole time. The sound Mark is making is something most of us can imitate if you train for it. It's an intentional manipulation away from his normal full voice at least toward the very top stuff. Shedding weight to reduce effort and adding twang and distortion instead. Helps prevent a "big" voice from oversinging without losing too much power and the rock aesthetic.

What Johnny is doing, not exactly sure but it sounds like he's singing in HIS full voice but his voice is just "smaller" and higher in terms of fach so it sounds kinda thin and shrill.

I could be totally wrong though. I know we all hate the whole fach thing and it's probably not entirely true, it's just the best I can explain what I'm hearing at the moment.

A simple way to think of it is like, Mark's technique makes him sound more like a guy imitating a girl when he gets very high and gets into "rock mode" but if he wanted he could go back to full masculine mode and sing jazz or whatever. Whereas Johnny's voice sounds a bit more feminine to begin with, the whole time not just on the high stuff and not just for stylistic effect - so I don't know how that could be changed with training if at all.

Alright there you go that's what my dumb ears are hearing :lol:

In all seriousness I am pretty confident that's how Mark is producing his sound, but Johnny, no idea.

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I didn't even recognise he was singing as I was looking at anot her page, I thought it was the woman.

I really do like it though, it's not the usual deep covered classical tone I'm used to hearing. He has great control.

The 5lb weight on your belly whilst singing makes sense though, it's just a constant push inwards that you must keep pushing outwards.

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I never knew about Jonny before - Thank Daniel for bringing this to our attention. I think this guy is great. I think to the extent he is "like" Daniel is in the technique. He doesn't push or press. He seems to have the optimum balance when going high and he has fabulous control. He sings in a totally different style than we usually hear Daniel sing. And Daniel has awesome tone that is quite different from Jonny. I don't hear any nasality in Jonny's tone. Hey, if Jonny is one of Daniel's favorite gospel singers, that's quite an endorsement!

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no that's not what i mean. Totally different thing. Mark is not singing in his natural voice the whole time. The sound Mark is making is something most of us can imitate if you train for it. It's an intentional manipulation away from his normal full voice at least toward the very top stuff. Shedding weight to reduce effort and adding twang and distortion instead. Helps prevent a "big" voice from oversinging without losing too much power and the rock aesthetic.

What Johnny is doing, not exactly sure but it sounds like he's singing in HIS full voice but his voice is just "smaller" and higher in terms of fach so it sounds kinda thin and shrill.

I could be totally wrong though. I know we all hate the whole fach thing and it's probably not entirely true, it's just the best I can explain what I'm hearing at the moment.

A simple way to think of it is like, Mark's technique makes him sound more like a guy imitating a girl when he gets very high and gets into "rock mode" but if he wanted he could go back to full masculine mode and sing jazz or whatever. Whereas Johnny's voice sounds a bit more feminine to begin with, the whole time not just on the high stuff and not just for stylistic effect - so I don't know how that could be changed with training if at all.

Alright there you go that's what my dumb ears are hearing :lol:

In all seriousness I am pretty confident that's how Mark is producing his sound, but Johnny, no idea.

I totaly disagree, it's just diffrent coordinations/diffrent soundcolors. All these sounds are "true voice" regardless of the technique/sounds used.

Sounding nasal like crazy and using that to get high and whiny is not more or less true than the rocker way. Both can be trained.

Also very very few get to have a voice like mark slaugther :P regardless of training

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you see now, it just goes to show how we all view different voices and singers.

to me this guy is not only great, but this is what i would call a big voice. like geno said, such control and balance and very well developed, very strong, and super accurate.

there's a lot of cry in the voice...i guess you call it curbing in the voice.

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His range is estimated at G2 - G5 in modern day pop singing I would not consider him to have a "big voice" in more specific terms we could argue he has a large "FULL VOICE" - one without switches or breaks.

To address the haters - you're forgetting the genre is GOSPEL... put your favorite rock singer and let him sing the same "praise the lord" type songs as Johnny Cook - bring a fire hose and a paramedic because the gloomier sounding rock singer would likely crash and burn.

However... not to take away from this man's greatness but the video of him singing when he is older is MUCH different to my ears than his younger singing. Is this something that can be prevented with the correct training?

Older Johnny Cook singing at 2:08. Thoughts?

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So bob just to be clear because you always say I have a small lyric voice you are now saying I have a big voice and thank you;)

you have a similar voice where the falsetto and the full are tonally similar.....

(i'm ready for the reply...lol!!)

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bob in your original post you said" he sounds like you dan." You did not say anything about falsetto being close or what not. Please elaborate and i thank you for the compliment again cause i love johnny. And i love that you said he has a big voice.

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